Alberta Tactical Rifle Supply Any Good?

Broken_Arrow said:
I can't speak for the receivers but I know a guy who makes some barrels for them and they're pretty top notch.
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HUH?
Can you explain this to me please? I thought the thread was about my company?:confused:
WE do NOT make barrels, but we do contour, thread, chamber, crown and engrave match grade barrel blanks typically supplied from Lilja or Rock Creek into AR barrels.
We do NOT outsource the machinework at all.
 
dizzy said:
No need to make excuses. Be proud of the products you make, and service those who come to you, and ignore those who naysay. You cannot please everyone.
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Thank you, I appreciate your words.
Not making excuses, at least that was not the intent. Simply trying to explain why our products cost more than the mass produced goods from a foreign country.
I realize that we can not please everyone, and frankly do not plan to try. Several folks as well as another shop who used to sell our products wanted us to "cheapen" our line so that selling the products would be easier. We want to be the absolute best. Period.
Many claim our products are too expensive, it would be interesting to see what they drive and what their houses are like.
Not all can afford to own top of the class products be it guns, cars or dwellings, or whatever commodity you choose and I can respect that.
To bash a product line simply because 1 can not afford or justify owning, however I have no respect for.

We are VERY proud of what we do and the fact that we are the only firearms manufacturer in Canada doing what we do, is also something that sets ATRS apart from the rest.
I defy any other manufacturer to offer better customer service and support than we do.
 
yohann160 said:
+1

I actually considered ATRS until I received the quote for my build. My KAC cost about 1K less for similar specs and no DPMS parts.
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Please tell me you don't really believe that KAC makes their own springs, detents and small parts. I would suggest KAC like EVERY other firearms manufacturer outsources many of these small parts to 1 of the 2 manufacturers of these parts in the USA, just like we do.
Granted KAC makes their own uppers, lowers and many of the proprietary parts of their guns, just like we do, but not all parts are made economically so some, typically the small specialized manufacturing parts like springs, detents, pins and such get purchased from companies that specialize in manufacturing them. We have looked very closely at this and have found only 2 companies in the USA that manufacture this parts. There are 3 in the Orient that we know of. We have chosen to stay with North American made parts and the Remington group has been able to supply our small parts with the most consistency.
 
A worker at ATR explained to me once that milspec stands for MINIMUM military specification, and it's become a popular marketing buzz word. Milspec was conceived to allow parts manufactured in different factories by different companys to all fit, reasonably well. Milspec is basically a form of geometric dimensioning and tolerances, GD&T, to allow for variances in mass production. Read a GD&T textbook if you suffer from insomnia...

Anyway, their work is better than anything I've seen but their prices are higher than anything I've seen. You get what you pay for, and if you buy at ATR, you WILL get the BEST! If I had money to burn I'd own one, but for practicing my C-7 drills, my Norinco works just fine.

My appollogies for mentioning Norinco in the ATR thread;)
 
I own 10 ATRS mags, they are great. I wouldn't have bought 10 of them if they were not.
They make top quality hand fitted ARs, although I did not buy one from them, I decided to go with a Christensen Arms.
 
alberta tactical rifle said:
Thank you, I appreciate your words.
Not making excuses, at least that was not the intent. Simply trying to explain why our products cost more than the mass produced goods from a foreign country.
I realize that we can not please everyone, and frankly do not plan to try. Several folks as well as another shop who used to sell our products wanted us to "cheapen" our line so that selling the products would be easier. We want to be the absolute best. Period.
Many claim our products are too expensive, it would be interesting to see what they drive and what their houses are like.
Not all can afford to own top of the class products be it guns, cars or dwellings, or whatever commodity you choose and I can respect that.
To bash a product line simply because 1 can not afford or justify owning, however I have no respect for.

We are VERY proud of what we do and the fact that we are the only firearms manufacturer in Canada doing what we do, is also something that sets ATRS apart from the rest.
I defy any other manufacturer to offer better customer service and support than we do.
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Uhhh most expensive does not always equate the best....you can claim that, and there are definately consumers that beleive that, it is a market niche for sure.
A lot of people that understand the AR platform, and what makes them shoot well would argue that $1500 for a stripper upper/lower is kind of a ridiculous place to spend their money. I'd bet you a handjob that there are dozens of members on here that can build a complete sub-moa AR for less then $1500 that would shoot better then your $4000 rifles. No offence meant at all, just living in the real world where most expensive doesn't mean best....and "can't afford it" vs "grossly overpriced for what you get" are 2 very different things.
 
ATRS is great!! All of my communication with them has been amazing, and the AR-15 lower I got from them last year is top quality. I attached it to a Colt LE6920 upper.

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alberta tactical rifle said:
As a result many folks in Canada either can not afford our products or do not appreciate the extreme high quality of our products.
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While your customer service is exemplary you've let some questionable stuff out of your shop and for the price it should never have been let out the door.

I may have been overly picky on the media blasting, but I didn't bring up the hand filing of some edges. They were not evenly done and there was a large, jagged gap between upper and lower. Due to how much you had already helped me, I didn't want to bring that to your attention and seem over bearing so I sold the hardware I bought from you.

So if you want to be the best, you have to have the best quality control.
 
I also love that the takedown sprint and detent at the rear of the lower receiver is held in by a set screw. As is the safety spring and ball, as well. It's nice being able to completely remove the lower receiver without springs and small parts dropping to the ground.
 
They have some nice stuff but they sure know how to charge for it. Personally I found the prices to be very high and while nice looking stuff the value wasn't there for me. For others it may be exactly what they are looking for and don't mind paying extra for it.

The only reason I don't own a KAC is the price is too high. Nice rifles, especially the lowers but not great value. The ATR makes the KAC look like a deal. Given a choice between these I would go KAC, LMT mrp, Noveske etc first.

If going for a semi custom AR15 for accuracy etc then look at the Les Bauer.

If you want ATR quality in a directly comparable upper/lower then take a look at having a rifle built on the HERA HLS lower and upper. They are directly comparable in both feauture and quality. Hard to find but the price is substantially less. Order up your choice of high end barrel, high end bolt, gieselle trigger etc and pay a competent gun smithto put it together. There is no magic with the AR other than finding the perfect parts to go together. This last part is a service I believe for the most part ATR does provide. You can orde up what you want and they will put parts that work well together. But the cost is very high and at this point it's debatable for resale if ATR AR rifles have any real brand recognition. In other words you might only get slightly better than franken gun prices if you go to sell.

Contrary to what has been posted most wealthy people do not like over paying. The wealthiest tend to be very careful with their purchases. They generally have money because they spend it carefully. While I unfortunately don't fit into the wealthy category I definately enjoy the art of the good buy. Frankly it's half the fun. Plus it's skill that can put you on even footing with those making a fair amount more than what I make. In otherwords it may not be a matter of whether or not someone has the ability to buy the product as the overall deciding factor for their purchase decision.
 
Canadian company, outstanding quality - what is there to not like?

They have done some work for me and I own some of their in-house accessories and I am very pleased.

J
 
NavyCuda said:
While your customer service is exemplary you've let some questionable stuff out of your shop and for the price it should never have been let out the door.

I may have been overly picky on the media blasting, but I didn't bring up the hand filing of some edges. They were not evenly done and there was a large, jagged gap between upper and lower. Due to how much you had already helped me, I didn't want to bring that to your attention and seem over bearing so I sold the hardware I bought from you.

So if you want to be the best, you have to have the best quality control.
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I wish you had brought up ALL concerns you had. It is REAL hard to deal with issues when you don't know about them.
Since that run of parts we have made significant improvements in overall finish and QC as well a refinements to our machine processes.
 
I cannot speak to their AR's but I've had ATRS built two bolt guns for me. Excellent product and first class customer service. I would happily refer someone to ATRS for a rifle build.
 
Atrs has given me volumes of info at no charge. The answer fast, polite, and no bs about what to expect from their parts and rifles. They even suggested less expensive ways to solve some problems and questions. Will I go to them for my next purchase? Absolutely. And god willing it will be my next 3 purchases.
 
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