Algonquin land claim details released

[trapoholic]

Buy your own land like everyone else. Your 'ancestors' didn't own this land anymore than mine, they just wandered around it.

BOOYAH Blargon! I don't agree with any treaty as far as I can piss! I'm 3/4 Iriquios/mohawk/man eater whatever you wanna call me. You have a card that lets you kill, catch and trap whatever you want. I asked if I could get mine once but couldn't cause I'm 5th generation and need to be 4th or less...That's rediculous, the only reason I wanted it was to trap fishers there gettin waaay over populated.

Why spear as many fish as you can during the spawn? or shoot way more meat then needed? To prove a point? Drive by rivers and creeks at night in April and it's lit up like Vegas! Even the smallest little flows are spears galore.

I'm not racist, like I said I'm a mohawk but it's not right to rape the land like that, take enough fish for a meal not a banquet and spread the eggs back into the water for a male to find. Take one deer or moose as needed not 3 or 4 at a time there's no need for it. I got a hunting, fishing and trapping license and bide the rules and regulations just like everybody else...There should be no exceptions for anybody, conservation and sustainable ecosystem for generations to come!

I must add, if I get banned for this post that's fricken redonk...There's some waaaaaaaaay friggen worse ones in the first 14 pages!

 

[Bland]

Ok so if the government does give the natives what they want. I'm guessing all the bands across Canada will ask for the best land and such. My question is they call themselves first nation. Are they? And if so did you create this land you say they have claim to now. I guess we were all born too late. My family was born in Canada, we have generations that were. Hell I am part native, just not enough to be entitled. Shouldn't every CANADIAN be entitled to a land claim that was born here? I didn't chose to be born here, it happened. Are the people born in Africa or any other country entitled to some sort of land claim? Wow this baffles me. Hey make sure you guys are first to the new planet we are colonizing. Gotta get those claims in.

You state what many Canadians feel . Confusion. I do not pretend to have the final solution. What is happening right now is the bureaucratic two step as I like to call it. One step froward and two back, meanwhile the situation festers. Different issues depending on which part of the country. In some places there are agreements that have not been upheld, in BC the problem is there are no agreements in many areas. The promises to settle these agreements keep coming but nothing ever happens. A legal morass. IA is a complete mess, a lot of that IA money never escapes the clutches of a bloated civil service department in Ottawa. Where will it end up? I am not optimistic. What I do know is things need to be settled or the status quo will continue and that is a simply not acceptable. Right now racism is heating up and that only makes a bad situation worse. Drawing lines in the sand is not the answer. I brought up the Nisgha treaty earlier because it is perhaps one of the few success stories in a long time. There was a final settlement and those people are on their own hook. It seems to be working, partially because it is a remote area. If this situation had been dealt with properly at the appropriate time, like a hundred years ago or even earlier depending on which part of the country you live in, then this would now be a non-issue. Sticking natives on reserves thus isolating them from the mainstream of Canada was the worst possible direction. What the h$$$ did we think was going to happen? Now how do we fix it, that is the question? The bureaucratic two step is not the answer and so far that is all our elected officials seem capable of doing.

 

[45ACPKING]

thousands of hectares of alberta used to belong to my family by treaty
a hair over 100 years ago it was taken.... not paid for.... by the government of the day to hand off to farmers from holland
my great grandmothers gravestone was buried by an excavator in an attempt to hide evidence of the former inhabitants..... or owners by treaty.
these days, the alberta/canadian government has forced the land owner to restore the grave areas as heritage sites...... recognizing our connection to that land.
will we get it back? probably not.
I don't think you have to be native to understand how this can piss a guy off.
then there was the residential schools my uncles and other relatives were stuck in. taken from thier families, stuck in schools where they were beaten for having objects of clothing, jewellry or other artifacts representing thier way of life, family and culture and the saddest of all..... beaten for speaking thier language

let's just round up all the chinese kids...... stick them in schools...... force them to eat our food, speak our language, wear our clothes, adopt our values...... and if they won't...... we'll just beat them. would never fly right? goes against your basic principles of humanity doesn't it?
what if it were your kids?

the native peoples of this country have been marginalized since the first folks landed here and settled
reparations and provisions to "make us all the same" (canadians) has never been a priority to canadian governments.
people scoff at what happened 400 or 500 years ago and tell us all to get over it....... it has never ended and the worst of it, residential schools and all...... was not that long ago.

anyhow, i'm rambling..... so much hatred and racial comments being made here against canada's aboriginal peoples..... ya' all ought to be ashamed of yourself.

 

[CompBoy]

thousands of hectares of alberta used to belong to my family by treaty
a hair over 100 years ago it was taken.... not paid for.... by the government of the day to hand off to farmers from holland
my great grandmothers gravestone was buried by an excavator in an attempt to hide evidence of the former inhabitants..... or owners by treaty.
these days, the alberta/canadian government has forced the land owner to restore the grave areas as heritage sites...... recognizing our connection to that land.
will we get it back? probably not.
I don't think you have to be native to understand how this can piss a guy off.
then there was the residential schools my uncles and other relatives were stuck in. taken from thier families, stuck in schools where they were beaten for having objects of clothing, jewellry or other artifacts representing thier way of life, family and culture and the saddest of all..... beaten for speaking thier language

let's just round up all the chinese kids...... stick them in schools...... force them to eat our food, speak our language, wear our clothes, adopt our values...... and if they won't...... we'll just beat them. would never fly right? goes against your basic principles of humanity doesn't it?
what if it were your kids?

the native peoples of this country have been marginalized since the first folks landed here and settled
reparations and provisions to "make us all the same" (canadians) has never been a priority to canadian governments.
people scoff at what happened 400 or 500 years ago and tell us all to get over it....... it has never ended and the worst of it, residential schools and all...... was not that long ago.

anyhow, i'm rambling..... so much hatred and racial comments being made here against canada's aboriginal peoples..... ya' all ought to be ashamed of yourself.

A lot of the folks here seem to forget the last residential school closed in 1999 My eldest was born in 1991 but all the crimes were back 500 years ago. My wife is an example she was adopted out of her family at birth because she was native taken from her grandmother and given to a white family and she always has felt different and some how apart from her adopted family. She still hasn't really got to the point of understanding what she lost there and that was 1976. Read the documents the government had a plan to remove native kids from their families so they could make them good little "white" kids. Sickens me personally.

 

[Juan For All]

thousands of hectares of alberta used to belong to my family by treaty
a hair over 100 years ago it was taken.... not paid for.... by the government of the day to hand off to farmers from holland
my great grandmothers gravestone was buried by an excavator in an attempt to hide evidence of the former inhabitants..... or owners by treaty.
these days, the alberta/canadian government has forced the land owner to restore the grave areas as heritage sites...... recognizing our connection to that land.
will we get it back? probably not.
I don't think you have to be native to understand how this can piss a guy off.
then there was the residential schools my uncles and other relatives were stuck in. taken from thier families, stuck in schools where they were beaten for having objects of clothing, jewellry or other artifacts representing thier way of life, family and culture and the saddest of all..... beaten for speaking thier language

let's just round up all the chinese kids...... stick them in schools...... force them to eat our food, speak our language, wear our clothes, adopt our values...... and if they won't...... we'll just beat them. would never fly right? goes against your basic principles of humanity doesn't it?
what if it were your kids?

the native peoples of this country have been marginalized since the first folks landed here and settled
reparations and provisions to "make us all the same" (canadians) has never been a priority to canadian governments.
people scoff at what happened 400 or 500 years ago and tell us all to get over it....... it has never ended and the worst of it, residential schools and all...... was not that long ago.

anyhow, i'm rambling..... so much hatred and racial comments being made here against canada's aboriginal peoples..... ya' all ought to be ashamed of yourself.

And what did any of us today have to do with it?

There should be some shameful people today at how these "benefits" are squandered but it sure as hell isn't me that is ashamed of doing it, I am ashamed that it continues today. I am ashamed that it is "whitey" that is blamed when the handouts are pissed away.

Again, if this was so terrible then, when do I get back what is being stolen today? If you can understand how it would piss off even a non-native person then how can you justify the land being stolen today from people who had nothing to do with any of what you are suggesting. Two wrongs make a right? As long as it is being taken from white and given to native? I'm not sure how you justify it - why don't you let us in on the secret of how you can justify it?

When exactly does Canada belong to Canadians?

J

 

[kenguitarz]

The earth or its land don't belong to anyone ,we belong to it.You'd figure the "the grass roots people" or "the first nations" or whatever they want to be called these days would have a better understanding of this.

 

[ValleyGunNut]

I am directly affected by all this b.s. with my camp, I hunt in wmu 48, basically right on the baron river across from cfb Petawawa. This camp has been in my family since the early 1900's and I have tonnes of memories there. Now we have recieved a letter in the mail at home. What it has stated is that the land (if it ever does get threw the proposal stages etc) Will then become private. The Algonquins will apparently negotiate with land lease holders to allow them to keep there camps and will not expropriate anybody. However if you do not have a camp on said private property and do not negotiate with them the way I read it you will not have access to this land at all for hunting/recreational purposes. I DO NOT agree with any of this b.s. whatsoever and want to do something about it! How would one go about fighting this? If they can protest, shut down railways/roads etc what can we do about fighting this proposal? NO Im not saying shut down roads and all that b.s. for a normal Canadian citizen would go to jail for such crimes. Legally speaking though what can we do about this? This affects thousands of people across Ontario can we not all band together and fight it somehow?

 

[Juan For All]

My question is what can be done about this treaty? Its still in the proposal stages, I say we band together and come up with a way to fight it? Any suggestions on how to do this?

I doubt this one can be saved. We need to make it clear to our political powers (much the same as how the LGR went out) that this is no longer addressing problems that were encountered back in the cowboys and (edited because sure as hell someone will be offended) days. It is time for them to start moving forward and time for the cash cart to slowly move away. For too long the crying has resulted in handouts being given. It has conditioned a behavior (baby cries, mommy picks up baby, baby cries again, mommy picks up baby again, baby learns that whenever it cries it gets picked up - so it just cries and cries and cries until it gets picked up).

Time to move along into the real world. The money squandering needs to stop.

J

 

[Doogs]

Disgusting. No wonder everybody hates those greaseballs

 

[45ACPKING]

It's sad to see that the attitude of the "takers" has not changed since they first stepped foot on this land.
It's 2013 and the anti aboriginal attitudes still prevail. THAT is what got us here, to this day and I don't think any aboriginal folks in Canada wanted to be forced into the life they have found themselves living for the past few hundred years.

All you see is.... Oh no... I'm losing my hunt camp.
Poor fellow, now you know how our ancestors felt. The "shoe" is now on the other foot eh?

 

[ValleyGunNut]

Holy christ its 2013.... wake up, get over yourself along with the rest of your people... Its crown land, deal with it. If you want land, go get a job and buy land like the rest of the Canadian population has to. Its not racist, its getting sickening of listening to all these god dam handouts and freebies.

Im not anti-aboriginal by any means, but my god when is enough enough? You dont see me #####ing about what England did to Scotland/Ireland back in the day, and I highly doubt that Im going to be given anything because of things that happened to my ancestors.

Oh and by the way, no one said anything about "losing the hunt camp" I said that people with a land lease right now with the PROVINCE OF ONTARIO will not be expropriated and will go threw a negotiation with the algonquin people to maintain the lease and hunting land. I said I DO NOT agree with the fact that not everyone will have the same access to the land as I will if I go through this process. Meaning if you currently hold a land lease, decide to negotiate you still have access, those who do not have a land lease cannot use the CROWN land anymore for anything.

 

[Wrong Way]

It's sad to see that the attitude of the "takers" has not changed since they first stepped foot on this land.
It's 2013 and the anti aboriginal attitudes still prevail. THAT is what got us here, to this day and I don't think any aboriginal folks in Canada wanted to be forced into the life they have found themselves living for the past few hundred years.

All you see is.... Oh no... I'm losing my hunt camp.
Poor fellow, now you know how our ancestors felt. The "shoe" is now on the other foot eh?

Wait.....WE'RE the "takers"?

Holy crap. That's rich.

Just out of curiosity, if I give 1/2 my income to the government, and use the rest to buy stuff.....and the fifty percent that I pay goes to you for doing nothing....and you use my money to buy stuff....wouldn't that make me a GIVER?

 

[rattler280]

Love it. My family came here in 1647, yet I am a white settler and need to be punished. Racism through and through. First nations have no deeper connection to this land than me. Recent evidence suggests that stone age Europeans were here before Canadian aboriginals anyway.

 

[Doogs]

My grandfather sold his house for well below what it was worth. I frikken loved that house. Maybe I should go claim it because it belonged to my ancestors

 

[Rocket Surgery]

they found a bunch of orimitive Natives. Tent and stick house dwelling people that had not even managed to invent the wheel, let alone develop any form of metal usage (which for other cultures had been in use for thousands of years) or even basic skills like animal husbandry.

lol wow

 

[riderrick]

get yer hands out of my pockets give up all technology and you can have your reasonable land claims, if not stfu. or lets play cowboy and indian american style

 

[Fall Guy]

I am directly affected by all this b.s. with my camp, I hunt in wmu 48, basically right on the baron river across from cfb Petawawa. This camp has been in my family since the early 1900's and I have tonnes of memories there. Now we have recieved a letter in the mail at home. What it has stated is that the land (if it ever does get threw the proposal stages etc) Will then become private. The Algonquins will apparently negotiate with land lease holders to allow them to keep there camps and will not expropriate anybody. However if you do not have a camp on said private property and do not negotiate with them the way I read it you will not have access to this land at all for hunting/recreational purposes. I DO NOT agree with any of this b.s. whatsoever and want to do something about it! How would one go about fighting this? If they can protest, shut down railways/roads etc what can we do about fighting this proposal? NO Im not saying shut down roads and all that b.s. for a normal Canadian citizen would go to jail for such crimes. Legally speaking though what can we do about this? This affects thousands of people across Ontario can we not all band together and fight it somehow?

Interesting. Will they set the amount for the lease? And what happens to property taxes - who sets the mill rate and who gets the money?

 

[45ACPKING]

Wait.....WE'RE the "takers"?

Holy crap. That's rich.

Just out of curiosity, if I give 1/2 my income to the government, and use the rest to buy stuff.....and the fifty percent that I pay goes to you for doing nothing....and you use my money to buy stuff....wouldn't that make me a GIVER?

I am living under the same rules as you.
No government handouts comin this way man.
I'm okay with levelling the playing field and having equality for all canadians but sadly, government, from canada's inception till today, forces us all to be distinct from one another. None of us like this.

I see the frustrations of average canadian, and while I understand and do not blame non native citizens for feeling as they do.... The overwhelming sentiment is hatred and race based and that I won't stand for.

For the record, I hunt, I fish, I live, just like the rest of non native canadians, pay my taxes ect ect. But I am aboriginal and will not stand by and be blamed.

Direct your anger to government, not to the people the government has always segregated and marginalized.

 

[Wrong Way]

lol wow

Am I wrong??

 

[Wrong Way]

I am living under the same rules as you.
No government handouts comin this way man.
I'm okay with levelling the playing field and having equality for all canadians but sadly, government, from canada's inception till today, forces us all to be distinct from one another. None of us like this.

I see the frustrations of average canadian, and while I understand and do not blame non native citizens for feeling as they do.... The overwhelming sentiment is hatred and race based and that I won't stand for.

For the record, I hunt, I fish, I live, just like the rest of non native canadians, pay my taxes ect ect. But I am aboriginal and will not stand by and be blamed.

Direct your anger to government, not to the people the government has always segregated and marginalized.

So..... I need to direct MY anger at the government, but the natives are OK directing their anger at Joe Public, preventing him from getting to work, etc.

You may be different, and I respect that...but I'm seeing whole crapload of VERY well fed protestors who apparently took time off of work to protest. I mean, they must have jobs, right? How else could they afford to buy so much food?

Ive got no issues with natives as a people (damn near married one )....but these protestors are crossing the line....as are the majority of the land claimers.