ammo situation worsening.... and worsening..... and worsening ....... May 5, updated

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Its only worsening, local shops are limiting all 22 to one brick per person, and said it will go down to one box per person as they CANNOT resupply fast enough. can't do it.

I see speer gold dot 9mm is over $1 a round, twice what I paid for it last purchase. $29 for a box of 20 at P & D that's 1.50 a round for 9mm ammo. sholy hit.

here is an article about the ammo situation in the U.S. its worsening by the day.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...mmo-flying-off-store-shelves/?intcmp=trending


we can source European ammo in Canada, however there is a run on ammo in Europe too believe it or not.
 
dizzy said:
Its only worsening, local shops are limiting all 22 to one brick per person, and said it will go down to one box per person as they CANNOT resupply fast enough. can't do it.

I see speer gold dot 9mm is over $1 a round, twice what I paid for it last purchase. $29 for a box of 20 at P & D that's 1.50 a round for 9mm ammo. sholy hit.

here is an article about the ammo situation in the U.S. its worsening by the day.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...mmo-flying-off-store-shelves/?intcmp=trending


we can source European ammo in Canada, however there is a run on ammo in Europe too believe it or not.
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Speer Gold Dot has always been over a dollar a round for as long as I can remember, and if you got it for $14.50 a box of 20 in the past decade really want to know your supplier.

Supply has not changed coming out of the factories, in fact I would be willing to bet it is at the highest level it has ever been.

That means demand is up and people are buying it at a record pace.

So why the record buying? Either record usage (shooting), or record hoarding.

Now if you can't show a correlating amount of usage with record range memberships and shooters going through more than ever, that supply is being hoarded by people and first time buyers in the US buying guns and ammo that they will likely never use, and the reason because of all this is the irrational fear mongering going on driving it.

Does anyone think the ammunition is going to be stopped being made? Banned? The factories are going out of business or about to be bombed from a war?

If not, then there is no excuse for the level of fear mongering, and the subsequent run on the store shelves thinking it will not be there tomorrow.
 
I was thinking the access to surplus ammo from other countries may get more difficult. Been using a lot of that Norinco 45acp lately. So cheap, have not started into reloading yet - just saving the brass.

critter928 said:
Speer Gold Dot has always been over a dollar a round for as long as I can remember, and if you got it for $14.50 a box of 20 in the past decade really want to know your supplier.

Supply has not changed coming out of the factories, in fact I would be willing to bet it is at the highest level it has ever been.

That means demand is up and people are buying it at a record pace.

So why the record buying? Either record usage (shooting), or record hoarding.

Now if you can't show a correlating amount of usage with record range memberships and shooters going through more than ever, that supply is being hoarded by people and first time buyers in the US buying guns and ammo that they will likely never use, and the reason because of all this is the irrational fear mongering going on driving it.

Does anyone think the ammunition is going to be stopped being made? Banned? The factories are going out of business or about to be bombed from a war?

If not, then there is no excuse for the level of fear mongering, and the subsequent run on the store shelves thinking it will not be there tomorrow.
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Hoarding is the problem, and threads like this fuel it, compounding the problem by creating a self fulfilling prophesy. Relax, there should be lots for everyone!







That should buy me enough time to clean out Walmart and Canadian Tire...
 
I would not be surprised if Obama,liberals or ndp stopped the import off all surplus ammo and scary looking firearms. Therefore I am hoarding what I can get my hands on and afford. There is nothing wrong with havering 5k+ of your commonly used calibers.
 
critter928 said:
Speer Gold Dot has always been over a dollar a round for as long as I can remember, and if you got it for $14.50 a box of 20 in the past decade really want to know your supplier.

Supply has not changed coming out of the factories, in fact I would be willing to bet it is at the highest level it has ever been.

That means demand is up and people are buying it at a record pace.

So why the record buying? Either record usage (shooting), or record hoarding.

Now if you can't show a correlating amount of usage with record range memberships and shooters going through more than ever, that supply is being hoarded by people and first time buyers in the US buying guns and ammo that they will likely never use, and the reason because of all this is the irrational fear mongering going on driving it.
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This is the whole Point I have been trying to make. Hoarding is not the problem. In the U.S. there are triple the number of average buyers. Folks who have NEVER ever before bought guns, trying to buy before the bans come in. The regulars are not the hoarders. Just to give a little example of the market. If existing users just increased their buying by 20% that would create a 2 month shortage. Now that the U.S. feds are buying, and 3 times the normal number of folks are buying the shortage is upon us. It has NOTHING to do with the measly Canadian Market, its the U.S. market and new buyers new demand driving the shortage. To claim its hoarders is to totally misunderstand market dynamics.
 
5440fight said:
Hoarding is the problem, and threads like this fuel it, compounding the problem by creating a self fulfilling prophesy.
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hoarding is not the problem, new buyers coming into the market created an instant demand for triple the supply, instant. this shortage will last a while.

Ad to that the increased number of small arms conflicts in the world and ammo is in big demand. It may not be in your small community or isolated community in Canada but it is in the rest of the world and since we are in a global market we are affected.
 
Funny article.
Quote" ... spent $250 to stockpile ammunition, including $43 for a brick of 500 ..."
That is stockpiling? At reported prices, that is a trip to the range....

dizzy said:
Its only worsening, local shops are limiting all 22 to one brick per person, and said it will go down to one box per person as they CANNOT resupply fast enough. can't do it.

I see speer gold dot 9mm is over $1 a round, twice what I paid for it last purchase. $29 for a box of 20 at P & D that's 1.50 a round for 9mm ammo. sholy hit.

here is an article about the ammo situation in the U.S. its worsening by the day.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...mmo-flying-off-store-shelves/?intcmp=trending


we can source European ammo in Canada, however there is a run on ammo in Europe too believe it or not.
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I was just at Cabela's (edm). They got their weekly shipment.

Here is the situation. They have moved the endcap around and made less room for CCI ammo. There are no CCI bulk packs left. I'm guessing maybe they have no more CCI available to them or it is tricking in small quantities.

In the large bulk area they received exactly three boxes (cases) of Winchester 333. So - 30 individual boxes.

Their Winchester wildcats continue to dwindle. They have 42 cases of wildcat. That's 420 boxes. Maybe another 200 boxes on top shelf.The lowest they've ever had. Only half the floor is covered in that lower shelf area. Never seen that before.

The one things they did receive in quantity was Federal 22 ammo.

They got in somewhere near a dozen cases of 525 and most notably they got in 20 ammo cans which contain 2100 rounds each.

All in all a low quantity from Cabela's and they are not receiving everything regularly as they used to. Stock overall is dropping, in my opinion.
 
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dizzy said:
hoarding is not the problem, new buyers coming into the market created an instant demand for triple the supply, instant. this shortage will last a while.

Ad to that the increased number of small arms conflicts in the world and ammo is in big demand. It may not be in your small community or isolated community in Canada but it is in the rest of the world and since we are in a global market we are affected.
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So the run on 22lr is caused by small arms conflict? Alllll righty then.
 
CCi makes 4,000,000@day. If all the manufacturers do a similar production, there must be what, 20M produced daily? There appears to be no manufacturing shortage.

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by your math, that makes one round per week per American gun owner. with a five day work week and two weeks shut down each year,that is a whopping 50rnds or so per year each, assuming that they export 0 rounds to Canada. I shoot a teeny bit more than that.
 
joe-nwt said:
CCi makes 4,000,000@day. If all the manufacturers do a similar production, there must be what, 20M produced daily? There appears to be no manufacturing shortage.

Some smoke and mirrors going on I think. Say I produce ammo and have my yearly or whatever raw material stock for 2013 am I going to ramp up and sell it off now at my normal 1.00 a round or keep production at normal rates and get 1.50 for it in 6 months .
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dizzy said:
hoarding is not the problem, new buyers coming into the market created an instant demand for triple the supply, instant. this shortage will last a while.

Ad to that the increased number of small arms conflicts in the world and ammo is in big demand. It may not be in your small community or isolated community in Canada but it is in the rest of the world and since we are in a global market we are affected.
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Hoarding is exactly the problem as these first time buyers are not new shooters.

They buy a gun and some new ammunition, and rarely shoot it.

And how many first time buyers, millions?

How much ammunition are they buying?

And is it .22 ammunition to feed the guns they think they are going to ban?

They are not the problem, it is the fear mongering that is and hoarding by actual shooters and those trying to flip ammunition and make a quick buck (look at the US guns shows where this is happening).

The problem is everyone, including people in this thread are hearing this, being told there is a shortage, and rushing out to stockpile ammunition for the season and foreseeable future because everyone tells them to.

And the "small arms conflicts" in the world are not growing we have fewer and fewer, and the ones that are occurring have nothing to do with US supply as they cannot buy US ammunition anymore than you or I.

The only conflicts affecting the US supply are winding down (Iraq and Afghanistan) and that capacity previously devoted to military orders is running full tilt doing commercial runs, and sticking them in the surplus of military ammunition can even.

So enough of the fear mongering, everyone take a deep breath, and stop fuelling the panic buying which has zero basis for happening.
 
onmywaytoimpact said:
by your math, that makes one round per week per American gun owner. with a five day work week and two weeks shut down each year,that is a whopping 50rnds or so per year each, assuming that they export 0 rounds to Canada. I shoot a teeny bit more than that.
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4,000,000 rimfire a day.

That is one manufacturer making one type of round, rimfire.

There are plenty of more calibre's being made, and plenty of other manufactures making them.

And not all American gun owner shoots at all, and not all shoot rimfire.

So they make plenty enough for us all, and there is plenty enough to go around if people would stop the fear-mongering and hoarding.
 
onmywaytoimpact said:
by your math, that makes one round per week per American gun owner. with a five day work week and two weeks shut down each year,that is a whopping 50rnds or so per year each, assuming that they export 0 rounds to Canada. I shoot a teeny bit more than that.
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Apparently, these production levels were sufficient until recently. Are you telling me that suddenly people are shooting twice as much 22lr as before? 3 times?...because surely there was 22lr ammo sitting in closets and ammo boxes everywhere. We are not starting in the hole, with no 22lr ammo anywhere. So if the amount being used has not increased substantially, what else could explain the shortages?

And of all the types of ammo out there, 22lr is in demand because? I could almost see maybe 9mm or maybe .223 being in short supply if people are being threatened with new gun laws or bans. And I would guess production of these rounds might be somewhat less, but I could be wrong. Maybe they couldn't keep up with the large orders law enforcement or the military might request. But 22LR? Give me a break.:rolleyes:
 
I have to agree with the smoke and mirrors comment. perhaps manufacturers are limiting supply to try and band more shooters against the recent surge of the "gun control" movement... pretty smart if you think of it... but as for here in nova scotia, everything is pretty much the norm. suppliers buy stock, sell it all and have a short dry spell awaiting the new supply. I noticed myself getting low on 9mm and .22lr so I stopped by a local store and bought a case of 1600 mini mags. should be good for another couple of months :)
 
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