And....I'm no longer a member of ISPC BC in good standing

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Ask yourself this. Why is it in the US the fastest growing segment of the market is female and in Canada well not so much? Our clubs and our sport IMHO does not lend or make itself available to women this is not a comment about IPSC. As to ethnic minorities the same is also true they are often marginalized by "humor" and the old boys club does not police itself. Again this is not specific to IPSC, but more in general to our sport.

If you want an example of how one of my female guests was turned off send me a PM and I will send you the example.

We would like to read about your experience right here.
Minus names and other privacy conflict issues, let us read what happened.

I don't think it is insulting for some to say they are hesitant to shoot IPSC now - what is a potential shooter supposed to think when they read those letters? Is that the kind of leadership provincially (and nationally) that someone is supposed to just look past and join up anyways?
It would appear to me that the leadership has insulted those 2000 IPSC Canada members. Perhaps those 2000 members that are working so hard to promote the sport should put that effort into holding their leadership to account for their actions.

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Exactly!

Is this a sign of IPSC culture to be heavy handed and dictatorial?

Or is the tail wagging the dog?


What is wrong with 2000 members who are allowing themselves to be manipulated, intimidated and treated like children?
 
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We would like to read about your experience right here.

How exactly is your reading right here going to help Rob or even IPSC?

If you are willing to help, join IPSC and show us with your own leadership how things should be done. Otherwise anyone could talk how bad shooting organizations are, but no one want to do anything.
 
So after having this thread run for acouple days I'm sure the IPSC BC heads must have seen this by now. Do none of them have any thing to say in their defense? To this point it's been a fairly one sided conversation and abunch of venting.
 
If I read correctly there was a lawyer involved. I wouldn't expect any comments from them until that pieces is resolved.
 
So after having this thread run for acouple days I'm sure the IPSC BC heads must have seen this by now. Do none of them have any thing to say in their defense? To this point it's been a fairly one sided conversation and abunch of venting.

I posted a request for more info on the IPSCBC members forum 3 days ago and have not received an answer yet. I posted their reply earlier.
 
We would like to read about your experience right here.
Minus names and other privacy conflict issues, let us read what happened.



+2

Exactly!

Is this a sign of IPSC culture to be heavy handed and dictatorial?

Or is the tail wagging the dog?


What is wrong with 2000 members who are allowing themselves to be manipulated, intimidated and treated like children?
Like I said you want the example send me a PM.
 
Ask yourself this. Why is it in the US the fastest growing segment of the market is female and in Canada well not so much? Our clubs and our sport IMHO does not lend or make itself available to women this is not a comment about IPSC. As to ethnic minorities the same is also true they are often marginalized by "humor" and the old boys club does not police itself. Again this is not specific to IPSC, but more in general to our sport.

If you want an example of how one of my female guests was turned off send me a PM and I will send you the example.

Like I said you want the example send me a PM.


No, thanks.

I wanted it as a sample of IPSC culture, how they treat their own, and turn away potential newcomers to the sport that 'do not belong'.

I guess if one is 'son of somebody' and part of old boys club, one gets red carpet treatment, but not so if you are a minority or a female.


However, your silence speaks volumes as well.
 
No, thanks.

I wanted it as a sample of IPSC culture, how they treat their own, and turn away potential newcomers to the sport that 'do not belong'.

I guess if one is 'son of somebody' and part of old boys club, one gets red carpet treatment, but not so if you are a minority or a female.


However, your silence speaks volumes as well.

You couldn't be more wrong. Yes, there's an elephant or two in the room..., but what you're describing doesn't exist.
 
lanis that may be the way it is in Ontario but it is not the norm in Alberta. Woman are encouraged to start shooting IPSC, not only morally but with offers of Guns and Gear. However i know that a lot of woman are intimidated by seeing mainly men and are afraid that they won't be welcome. I have one wife of a new shooter who really wants to do it but is intimidated by the amount of men and asked if i could have a woman instructor on my BB course. I said yes of course i can and invited one lady who has helped me previously.
 
lanis that may be the way it is in Ontario but it is not the norm in Alberta...

Eh? Seriously, Walter you should really think before you post something like that.
Among other provinces it is Ontario who has a woman as its section coordinator. This thing alone speaks for itself, but I bet Ontario also has the largest number of ladies shooting IPSC.
 
Most small organizations are rife with people tripping out on power. An RCMP member told us they are frequent casualties of theft.
There is always someone trying to get control of some organization and will do anything to eliminate a threat.
You may have said you are thinking of running for office, and they are scared you will bump them out of their position.
When is the next election of officers?
Just my two cents.
 
No, thanks.

I wanted it as a sample of IPSC culture, how they treat their own, and turn away potential newcomers to the sport that 'do not belong'.

I guess if one is 'son of somebody' and part of old boys club, one gets red carpet treatment, but not so if you are a minority or a female.


However, your silence speaks volumes as well.

~50% of our population is female yet we have hardly any female shooters and its growth is no where near what it should be given all other rates of women entering non tradition sports and activities.

~15% of Canada's population is a visible minority yet every club I have been a number of is no where near that.

I'm not silent not going to air any laundry on here. PM me if you want the example.

Our sport in general has issues, just look around this forum if you want to see ###ist, racist and homophobic comments they are easy to find.
 
while any of that may be true, it's not germane to the topic here. please try to stay on topic, and don't make personal attacks.
 
This and other forums could have been prevented by simple communication. I have read all of the Posts Rob has submitted and it appears Rob pulled the LAWYER Card from the get go.
When you say LAWYER it means business. It stopped from being a friendly conversation at that moment. I see no point for IPSCBC to make a phone call to him to say "Hey buddy, what’s going on".
Everybody seems to think this is a conspiracy with secret meetings and a predetermined out come. Whether Rob shoots or not in IPSC or any shooting sport the world is not going to end.
Rob is a Great shooter and has put many years of hard work in to perfecting his ability.

A simple phone call to the IPSCBC Zone Director in the beginning expressing his sincere concern that his Actions were not meant in a defamation of character of Himself, Persons Concerned, IPSCBC or IPSC Canada.
I am sure they would have reduced his Probationary Period well under a year and kept it quiet to not bring attention to the innocent people involved.

I feel this forum disrespects all the hard work everybody does to keep all shooting sports running. It is Volunteers, Sponsors, Match Directors, Clubs and Members of any sporting organization that works so hard to promote the sports.
I have assisted in sponsoring many matches and people this year, All the people that have shot something or another at a match and not won a match winning trophy, knows that just participation is good enough to have a fun and in a safe environment. I shoot any match I can and try to improve my ability and to help anyone I can. I don't look for anything else. Just to give back to the sports that I enjoy and promote participation. Where else can you run and gun, shooting elaborate stages with steel, paper, swingers and movers.
It upsets me to see all the hard work I have put in all year long to be undermined by someone who does not want to say "I Am Sorry". Every person that competes in any sport is looked up to by some one or another. It is there example that sets the standard for everyone. For IPSC a master class or grand master shooter requires to have better ethics, understanding and to hold themselves to a higher standard, as so many people want to be where they are, people have a tendency to copy what they are doing and they set the example for the sport.

For example: You go to a World Shoot. You were born and raised in Canada. You are shooting in a match that is multinational. You are given a Canadian Team Shirt yet refused to wear it. Who are you representing? The answer is Canada. Any actions you show at that match or country reflects on all Canadians. So when it comes to conduct at a national level at any time you would represent BC and all in it, the complete time you were in that province the match was held in. It makes sense.

Rob was not kicked out of IPSC. He refused to say (I am Sorry) for actions that might of offended a group of people that include all BC residence, as he was representing BC whether he liked it or not. It is sometimes better to say I am sorry quietly than to turn up side down a sport you say is fun and you enjoy. Take one for the team and save face to improve the sport. We all have done it. I have seen over 12,000 views on this one topic. What kind of promoting is this going to do? Negative Promoting is no way to view any sport.

The Damage is done. There is no way anyone can retract the things said, the comparisons used, and low Standards this kind of advertising does. I think it will be decades before this forum will be forgotten.
Gun Nutz is suppose to bring people together as we all have a common interest and as a learning tool, not to rally the troops for a lynching or public display of bad decision making. An outsider might view this as a group of people that do not get along and be worried that all of them have guns.

I feel for the IPSCBC BOD as they are a board; they had to decide what action to take and how to deliver it. They are a group of volunteer people just like you trying to promote the sport and do damage control when a complaint comes in. When they were contacted by a lawyer and not Rob they had to respond in kind with no comment to the outside. They tried to handle it in house quietly. Now it is on a public forum being discussed like gossip. Rob explains it is desperation to post it publicly. If this happened to you, would you not try to follow the chain of command locally, personally and informatively to get to the bottom of it as fast as possible?

I am not sure how this nightmare is going to end. I will still shoot lots of stuff and reload tons of bullets. I hope this does not damage the sport I love too much. Good luck to the IPSCBC BOD and Rob. Do not let this disturb any one of trying any of the action shooting sports - volunteer to help set up and run any match to keep these sports going. Hopefully all future examples will be positive well executed examples.

Brad Parsons, IPSC Member and Advid Shooter of Stuff
 
This and other forums could have been prevented by simple communication. I have read all of the Posts Rob has submitted and it appears Rob pulled the LAWYER Card from the get go.
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Brad Parsons, IPSC Member and Advid Shooter of Stuff



Wow Brad are you ever off base. I mean WAY OFF BASE!

You appear to have eitehr no clue as to what has gone on.....or you have no concept of standing for Principles.

ROB is standing up for what is right..

and the Red herrings in your post do nothing but prove that he is right on track.
 
The only thing I really disagree with is this.
The Damage is done. There is no way anyone can retract the things said, the comparisons used, and low Standards this kind of advertising does. I think it will be decades before this forum will be forgotten.
This is just a very minor bump in the road, anyone that's says this incident will keep them from shooting IPSC was never really interested in the first place, it's just an excuse. In reality this will all be forgotten by next summer by all but the main people involved, the BoD of BC and Rob. Everyone else will have gone on about their business and this will be maybe no more than an analogy used at RO or BB courses and even in time that will fade away too. The troubles we saw in the mid '90's that saw Canada turfed from IPSC is hardly ever mentioned anymore and yet was a much bigger deal and we had something similar to Robs situation here in Ontario a couple of years ago and it's all but forgotten except by the players who were involved.
I feel bad for Rob and this is a terrible situation but in the big picture this is just not a big deal in the whole of IPSC, hopefully this will be resolved soon and we can get on with the business of forgetting it ever happened.
Oh, and one more thing, I find it amusing that some have posted that they won't shoot IPSC because of the drama queens, when it would seem the very act of coming on a forum to thump their chest and complain about a sport they have never tried not likely have had any real interest in would very closely fit the definition of a Drama Queen...
 
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