This is behavior that the governments new Bill 14 covers reguarding bullying and harassment. What starts out innocent enough bothers someone directly or indirectly in a negative manner wether they can express that to you or not. I believe IPSC took appropriate action but in an inappropriate manner.
And....I'm no longer a member of ISPC BC in good standing
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I agree,..I don't like to air my dirty laundry in public,...but I am at a loss about your comments in regards to Ethnic and gender diversity (?). Have you seen how many persons of asian decent and European background are involved in IPSC!
I don't think you have been following this accurately. He is not claiming he did not complete the actions described in the letters. There is nothing to be found guilty of...what I believe is the issue is who it offended, its appropriateness, and also how the BOD in BC handled it. Also the resolve is not going off well as Rob has hired a lawyer and does not feel he was treated fairly or given due process.
Hungrybeagle, I don't often disagree with the stuff you post, however in this instance I must. One of the things we clearly asked in our first letter to the board was under what rule they were sanctioning me, as I felt the official handgun rulebook could not extend to dinners after the match. They clearly responded with the statement that since the results had not been posted the match had not been declared finished and as such the rule book does apply and that their decision was supported by that. That being the case, the rules were not followed, not even in the slightest.
Now, if the rule being used was our BC constitution, then there are still very clear procedures that must take place, and like the handgun rule book, those procedures do not involve secret meetings with an arbitrary decision being handed down without my knowledge or involvement. That goes against the fundamental way the Society Act is written, which is Law, it goes against our Constitution, it goes against the rule book, and it goes against any kind of natural law in a western democracy. So yeah, this has become about the rules not being followed.
Now, if the rule being used was our BC constitution, then there are still very clear procedures that must take place, and like the handgun rule book, those procedures do not involve secret meetings with an arbitrary decision being handed down without my knowledge or involvement. That goes against the fundamental way the Society Act is written, which is Law, it goes against our Constitution, it goes against the rule book, and it goes against any kind of natural law in a western democracy. So yeah, this has become about the rules not being followed.
Bring back the Village People?
The vast majority of IPSC competitors are calm, laid back people out to have a good time.
I'll be back next season.
Your not understanding my reply. I talking about everything that happened prior to getting the letter saying he was suspended. Complying or not with the punishment ( the apology or lack there of) is irrelevant as he was not given a proper chance to respond to the initial complaint before he was put on probation.
He was found guilt of unsportsman like conduct without being able to refute or explain his side.
We are talking about the same initial issue..
Ask yourself this. Why is it in the US the fastest growing segment of the market is female and in Canada well not so much? Our clubs and our sport IMHO does not lend or make itself available to women this is not a comment about IPSC. As to ethnic minorities the same is also true they are often marginalized by "humor" and the old boys club does not police itself. Again this is not specific to IPSC, but more in general to our sport.
If you want an example of how one of my female guests was turned off send me a PM and I will send you the example.
While the whole thing between Rob and IPSC BC (or whoever is trying to punish him) is ridiculous, Hungrybeagle has a point. It has nothing to do with the internet ninjas who expectingly chime in with "that's why I don't shoot IPSC" or "I've been considering to shoot IPSC but now I will reconsider". Do any of them realize that they are insulting over 2000 of IPSC Canada members, many of them working hard to promote the sport?
All in all, talking about it on this forum is not going to resolve it. Though there are not really any other place where IPSC Canada members could discuss it...
Also, it seem like position of IPSC Canada on this issue is the same as IPSC HQ, i.e. Rob is on his own to deal with IPSC BC.
All in all, talking about it on this forum is not going to resolve it. Though there are not really any other place where IPSC Canada members could discuss it...
Also, it seem like position of IPSC Canada on this issue is the same as IPSC HQ, i.e. Rob is on his own to deal with IPSC BC.
yes unfortunately social media/forums are a last resort. I didn't post here lightly. It was a hard decision to do so. Most of you understand why I had to. Some don't, and some think the actions were justified. The cool thing is, I still love all of you.
get that out of your mind now.
get that out of your mind now.
Hey, big man. You still have our support. Perhaps that's what you should have done in the first place...
Hell, even I shoot IPSC! (well I pretend sometimes)
This is most definately not the old white anglos social club.
This all revolves around the notion that NOT being offended is a right which, when breached, must result in the perpetrator being punished. It's flawed because being offended is part of the human condition. It happens all the time. However, often it is a conscious choice. If anybody, other than the two individuals directly involved in receiving the DQ cards, had been offended, they could have ignored the proceedings. Instead they chose to be offended, and in so doing gave the power to Rob, without Rob having any control of the issue. If someone is so easily offended it reflects a lack of self-control and a low self image. It's also childish. Mature societies allow for freedom of expression, and recognise that offence may be taken, but that the alternative, censorship, is just too high a price to pay. Any freedom loving person should be outraged by this travesty. You may dislike Rob's humour, but you should be defending his right to express himself as be chooses. The prima facie evidence certainly doesn't suggest that he was unsportsmanlike or that he brought the sport into disrepute.
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I don't think it is insulting for some to say they are hesitant to shoot IPSC now - what is a potential shooter supposed to think when they read those letters? Is that the kind of leadership provincially (and nationally) that someone is supposed to just look past and join up anyways?
It would appear to me that the leadership has insulted those 2000 IPSC Canada members. Perhaps those 2000 members that are working so hard to promote the sport should put that effort into holding their leadership to account for their actions.
Nothing. It has nothing to do with the IPSC as a sport. It does involve few individuals, but so what?
You are mixing up sport and politics. If you want to be in politics, well you still can join and fix things as you see them better. But you may find out that not everyone will agree with your vision. There is nothing wrong with that either.
As far as I know, in each province BoD is nominated and then elected by all its members. The other provinces don't have to say on that. Except, perhaps, NEC can say something if things go wrong in Canada or one of the provinces/sections. I am wondering if that's where Rob should have appealed in the first place.
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The process followed by the BC BoD was completely flawed and they should be held to account for it. This is where the members need to demand action since the BoD represents them. Pride/ego of the BoD has no place in resolving this issue so I hope they won't dig in their heels and make things worse. They should step back, look at the issues that have been raised and try to correct this.
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why I loathe the blending of politics with pleasure. The club and provincal governance of many shooting sports makes me want to throw up. there are pathetic pedants in fullbore shooting too
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