And we're back getting things banned

Suther said:
How many doors have been kicked in to take any of these guns?

There is zero evidence to suggest the crypto will be the straw that breaks the camels back and lead to doors kicked in. It's not the 80s, yet y'all talk like you're living in an 80s action movie.
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Look at Australia, New Zealand, and the United Kingdom for countless examples of door-kickings in the past handful of years over gun confiscation. They are not all widely covered by the media but do take place regularly.

If you can’t see it coming here you need to go and buy some glasses.
 
fleabaggins said:
“They need to have some reasonable grounds…”
Technically, under the law, that is mostly accurate.
However, I have noticed a very disturbing trend over the last decade, where RPG goes out the window whenever the authorities want something.
1) changes to the Criminal Code that now on every traffic stop (provincial authority) police can demand a breath sample with no RPG (criminal authority). If you are outraged and refuse, immediate arrest, criminal charge and conviction. This has already been upheld in the courts.
2) scared that the general population don’t like what you are doing? Emergencies Act! (Formerly War Measures Act). Do whatever you want to whoever you want with no RPG. A few years later, the courts may rule that you were not justified in invoking it, but so what? You got to crush the “small fringe minority,”, cut off their basics of life (including heating fuel), have the police stampede their horses over an old lady with a walker, and deflate their ever-dangerous bouncy castles.
No one in authority is ever held accountable. But the little guy is always crushed by the process and the system.
So whether they have RPG or not should matter, but basically never does.
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Man when I say things like these facts, I get bans. I hope you write better than I do and avoid the police appologists.
 
Zortron said:
Look at Australia, New Zealand, and the United Kingdom for countless examples of door-kickings in the past handful of years over gun confiscation. They are not all widely covered by the media but do take place regularly.

If you can’t see it coming here you need to go and buy some glasses.
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I would argue that the people in those countries are a bit more docile then here. Especially the UK.

Sadly, I would expect a Liberal door kicking campaign to result in casualties - especially when the door kicked is on a reserve and involves FN.- The government has long spouted off about historical FN genocide and government atrocities - real or perceived, when a group is convinced that they are being targeted YET AGAIN, they will feel license to do something about it. It’s conceivable that this is the reason the SKS escaped the ban. There is no flavor of MSM coverage, of dead natives, at the hands of the government, that Liberals could politically tolerate.

I don’t think that will be the limit of the casualties tho. From a Law enforcement perspective, I could see a number of tragic Ruby Ridge type scenarios. - like it or not, there are those ‘outliers’ in our gun community who would use violence to preserve what they truly believe they’ll need to survive.

Me, I’ll just use a different gun, a gun that isn’t banned, but some will not.

It’s for the reasons listed above, that government would be wise to offer a dollar amount that can hardly be refused - like the UK did, well overpaying.

Then, for those that don’t want to sell, let them carry on quietly about their business, and the Liberals can have their deceptive victory lap - much like was done in NZ where measured compliance was low, and actual compliance much MUCH lower.

This strategy would save lives, and save billions in a Liberal boondoggle that I suspect will, regardless of path taken, cost 60-80 billion when it’s all done.

Once the project is complete, I would expect gun violence to continue on the same upward trajectory with gang violence and smuggled guns.
 
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FatCatsDad said:
They're not stupid, they'd avoid that like the plague.

I imagine they'd go after the easier low hanging fruit first.

Middle aged, wife, kids, likely no struggle
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Precisely. They wouldn’t want any victim status people to be adversely affected, but any violence will look awful. Many of us served in the military, almost all of us are hard working upstanding people. We just want to be left alone.

Violence will look bad even if they can pull off another “small fringe minority” style campaign, to turn low information voters against us, like they did against the truckers. Still, nobody died there because it was bouncy castles and BBQ’s, not guns.
 
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I wish the Lib's had rolled out the business buy-back sooner and the stores had run up the tab.
This will easily cost 10x the original Bill Blair quotes of $400M

It's too bad many on this site condemn shops co-operating with the buy back when doing so would be in our favor. It was cost that brought down the LGR. The same could happen here, I think even under a Liberal Gov't with enough push back.
 
GimpyGolden said:
I wish the Lib's had rolled out the business buy-back sooner and the stores had run up the tab.
This will easily cost 10x the original Bill Blair quotes of $400M

It's too bad many on this site condemn shops co-operating with the buy back when doing so would be in our favor. It was cost that brought down the LGR. The same could happen here, I think even under a Liberal Gov't with enough push back.
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I understand your thought process, but have to respectfully disagree.

We never want to sell off our guns, freedoms, or rights to a Communist government of any kind.

Not the dealers either.

This opens Pandora’s Box for that same dirty, filthy government to buy all our firearms. Their end goal is to disarm all of us.
It’s difficult to enslave your subjects when they have firearms to protect their human rights. Firearm ownership is a human right.
Regardless what Trudeau/Carney and their Liberal b@g-licking followers will tell you!….:(

So no, this is a very, very bad idea.

I understand your theory, but this time round, it’s not the way to go I’m afraid…..:(
 
Making a big stink out of the actual cost of the buyback has for some reason, never been attempted as far as I know.
It's likely to be many many times more than the BS numbers quoted by the fed. Likely in the billions.

seems to me it could be a wedge issue, especially these days. and especially if cleverly coupled with real world data about how it doesn't do a thing to reduce violent crime.

I think the main challenge to this is that the Fed is not actually interested in buying back firearms so the cost doesn't really ever need to be paid.
They are content in making them prohibited and sending the donut patrol door kicking when it aligns with their narrative.

How many years now has your AR been a paperweight and still nothing.

It's just Pandering to base and stalling, no meat on the bone at all imo.
 
If anyone has access to the FRT, I'd really love a complete print out of the entire entry for the Crypto for my records. I can only find snippets or low res screenshots.
 
Beeron said:
Making a big stink out of the actual cost of the buyback has for some reason, never been attempted as far as I know.
It's likely to be many many times more than the BS numbers quoted by the fed. Likely in the billions.

seems to me it could be a wedge issue, especially these days. and especially if cleverly coupled with real world data about how it doesn't do a thing to reduce violent crime.

I think the main challenge to this is that the Fed is not actually interested in buying back firearms so the cost doesn't really ever need to be paid.
They are content in making them prohibited and sending the donut patrol door kicking when it aligns with their narrative.

How many years now has your AR been a paperweight and still nothing.

It's just Pandering to base and stalling, no meat on the bone at all imo.
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The horsemen are pretty much on their own on this one. Every police force and their respective police associations have come out against the bans and don’t wanna touch the issue. The Toronto Police Association and Peel Regional Police Association just recently came out against the bans on a couple of X posts. Wouldn’t be the first time either.

With each passing day I think this is just gonna end up the same way as New Zealand. Epic non-compliance, but they’ll call it a success anyway.
 
steamy teabag said:
Old gun smiths.
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Indeed. They like to shoot and kill gunsmiths in Ontario.

But Ontario is cesspool of WOKE Liberals who are looking to kill gun owners.......:(

An absolute disgrace.

Obviously those trigger happy cops missed their conflict resolution training on deescalating tough situations.....:(

Gee, more corrupt law enforcement, go figure.......:(
 
LexInfidelis said:
The horsemen are pretty much on their own on this one. Every police force and their respective police associations have come out against the bans and don’t wanna touch the issue. The Toronto Police Association and Peel Regional Police Association just recently came out against the bans on a couple of X posts. Wouldn’t be the first time either.

With each passing day I think this is just gonna end up the same way as New Zealand. Epic non-compliance, but they’ll call it a success anyway.
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Canada Post said no dice too.

I can’t conceive of a realistic way to do this mass confiscation.

Then again I’m a rational human being, not ruled by ideology. Ideology can make governments crazy. Reference; Germany, Russia, Cambodia, etc…

I won’t be participating in it, even if ordered to do so. I protect people’s property. Not take it.
 
JeffMan said:
Canada Post said no dice too.

I can’t conceive of a realistic way to do this mass confiscation.

Then again I’m a rational human being, not ruled by ideology. Ideology can make governments crazy. Reference; Germany, Russia, Cambodia, etc…

I won’t be participating in it, even if ordered to do so. I protect people’s property. Not take it.
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Think like a woman would, 2-3 are driving all of this.
 
JeffMan said:
Canada Post said no dice too.

I can’t conceive of a realistic way to do this mass confiscation.

Then again I’m a rational human being, not ruled by ideology. Ideology can make governments crazy. Reference; Germany, Russia, Cambodia, etc…

I won’t be participating in it, even if ordered to do so. I protect people’s property. Not take it.
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We all know you are one of the good guys Jeff......:)

Lot's of trigger happy cowboy's and cowgirl's out there though.......:(

I also know you would be able to pick them out of the detachment very quickly.

I'm glad I no longer serve. it's a tough side of the fence to be on these days.........:(
 
steamy teabag said:
Think like a woman would, 2-3 are driving all of this.
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Yes. I know the demographics. Many women vote Democrat and Liberal.

Liberals (small L) tend to be nurturing and effeminate in social traits, conservatives tend to be dominant and protective.

It’s also documented that Democrat/ Liberal women find Republican/ Conservative men more attractive.

Some “progressive” women going so far as to say - men who vote the same as them are unattractive,

It’s a wild world. 🤷‍♂️

My wife votes Conservative but our home has strong gender roles - a realistic necessity on 30 acres of wilderness with five kids.

She’s amazing, she juggles the home, the kids, and runs her own lucrative business. She’s a dyed in the wool conservative, because shes earned everything she has and doesn’t want to give it away.
 
JeffMan said:
Canada Post said no dice too.

I can’t conceive of a realistic way to do this mass confiscation.

Then again I’m a rational human being, not ruled by ideology. Ideology can make governments crazy. Reference; Germany, Russia, Cambodia, etc…

I won’t be participating in it, even if ordered to do so. I protect people’s property. Not take it.
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Oh it'll happen you don't run Provost without a plan to do it.
 
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