Antique Ammo problems (reload your own) See PIC

Perhaps we have too much time to argue or not enough imagination, lol.
I think perhaps trying to get a vehicle repaired on Goodyear's dollar because of a blowout might be a 'tough row to hoe'
I'm speculating that there is more to the whole story than I care to chase the details of anyhow.
Myself, I just break down others reloads that I've acquired for the bullets and brass...fertilize the lawn with the powder. So I perhaps should search my soul for some compassion for the offended party. I have troubles understanding using another's reloads I suppose.
But I'm glad no one was hurt; and I'm glad I'm on neither side of this ' Goat Roping'
I doubt that an amicable solution will come about, one side or the other will be feeling they got the short end of the stick.
Stay safe
 
Now that we're all in agreement that it is best to reload your own ammunition for antique pistols, would anyone like to turn this thread into a positive one while we're waiting for the results on the pulled bullets?

What are some of your personal reloading recipes for your antiques?
 
Musketfire said:
When I eventually get myself a real antique saa colt in Antique stat....You can be damn sure I will never use anything smokeless in it. FFS Look at this
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BP can do the same and worse dont get me started on BP loads if theres air space in a case it can cause problems to.
Smokeless is safe and way less messy if you do it right.
for 45 acp in MKI and MKII webleys i load 5 grs of unique useing a .452 Dia 250 Gr SWC keiths bullrt never had and issiue ever.
the bores on most webley MKI and MKII are only .452 Max unless its a 455/476 caliber marked gun.
99 % of them sold are .452 to .451 bores.
As to SAA colts i load hotter for them in 45 acp check your bore some old BP SAA colts have .454 bore dia most of the newer barrels are .452 Dia.
Reloading is easy i enjoy it tho im abit lazy i try and make time to do it with no distractions.
 
Musketfire said:
When I eventually get myself a real antique saa colt in Antique stat....You can be damn sure I will never use anything smokeless in it. FFS Look at this
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The picture Dingus posted has absolutely nothing to do with the type of powder used! That was a squib load followed by a standard load. The same damned thing would've happened if you'd used black powder and screwed up while reloading!

In case you missed his point, here it is again.

OK someone who I wont name on the open forum is selling reduced loaded ammo for antique handguns.
It's a CGN business member who offers the service and up until recently there's been no problems BUT.
This is the second gun with a buggered barrel; see that bulge right up near the muzzle?
That's what ammo that is not reloaded carefully does. An under-loaded round didn't make it outa the gun. The shooter never noticed and then the next 700 FPS 45 bullet hit the stuck round and blew the site right off the barrel wrecking a really nice SAA colt.

This is not the only case.
The seller of said ammo would not do anything about it I'm not sure they have to either, so check after each shot fired.
I never use anyone's reloaded ammo in my guns.
Under loaded cartridges can cause as many problems as over loaded cartridges.
even factory Fiocchi has had under-loaded 8mm Lebel ammo.

You should check every round has cleared the barrel if your buying ammo sold as reloaded reduced for antiques. Better still reload your own.
I just hope more guns don't have this happen to them. Ammo sold as 700 FPS ammo should never get stuck in a barrel like this, this was a faulty round caused this.
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tokguy said:
Perhaps we have too much time to argue or not enough imagination, lol.
I think perhaps trying to get a vehicle repaired on Goodyear's dollar because of a blowout might be a 'tough row to hoe'
I'm speculating that there is more to the whole story than I care to chase the details of anyhow.
Myself, I just break down others reloads that I've acquired for the bullets and brass...fertilize the lawn with the powder. So I perhaps should search my soul for some compassion for the offended party. I have troubles understanding using another's reloads I suppose.
But I'm glad no one was hurt; and I'm glad I'm on neither side of this ' Goat Roping'
I doubt that an amicable solution will come about, one side or the other will be feeling they got the short end of the stick.
Stay safe
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This ammo is commercially made. It's not something purchased at a garage sale. I wouldn't recommend using somebody else's reloads that you bought at a gun show from Bubba, but buying commercially reloaded ammo from an established firearms business is another thing entirely. I use commercially produced reloads regularly and expect them to be the same dependability-wise as new factory ammunition, just as most people world expect. Hence the reason for Dingus to post this warning.
 
this is not a issue of black powder vs smokeless powder ......

this also is not a issue of using someones handloads or unknown ammo .

this is a issue of a ass*hole not taking the time to properly do quality control on a product he is selling commercially . then someone buying his sh*tty product in good faith and having said sh*tty product do damage to a expensive firearm .

if the ammunition was built properly , the damage would have never happened and this thread might be singing the praises of the manufacturer , instead it is warning .....
 
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burnt_servo said:
this is not a issue of black powder vs smokeless powder ......

this also is not a issue of using someones handloads or unknown ammo .

this is a issue of a ass*hole not taking the time to properly do quality control on a product he is selling commercially . then someone buy his sh*tty product in good faith and having it said sh*tty product do damage to a expensive firearm .

if the ammunition was built properly , the damage would have never happened and this thread might be singing the praises of the manufacturer , instead it is warning .....
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Yes thats 100% correct ^^^^^^^ well put so people get it.
 
antiqueguy said:
yes seriously charge the case seat bullet done clean up with real black powder is a breeze some really hot water and a few patches its probably one of the easiest ways to start reloading
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I know it's easy. I use black powder myself. My point was that you can screw up with black powder. I've seen it done.
 
Orion said:
I know it's easy. I use black powder myself. My point was that you can screw up with black powder. I've seen it done.
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Sure you can screw up with black powder, but IMO as long as the bullet is of the proper size and firmly seated on the powder its fairly easy and fool proof, if your round seats waaay to low you can clearly see you dont have enough powder/undercharged round, and if you shake the round its real easy to tell IF there is airspace that could cause a issue.

I do know many use modern powders in the antique guns they own and they have excellent results, I use black powder in my black powder arms and never worry.

Though Yes a person can screw up with black powder by creating air spaces or using the super fine ffff powder meant for priming...But really thats the only way to mess up but with smokeless the possibility for error is much greater in my opinion as there are more variables to consider.

Cheers fellas and no matter what you choose to use please use this post as a reminder to be extra vigilant, these guns are precious....but not as precious as you are!
 
When you produce in volume this is was eventually can happen with any multi stage press.
Face the truth folks, if you volume shoot centrefire handgun enough, you will encounter similar anomalies. Such as reversed primers and differing powder charges.

One way to avoid this is very time consuming. Single stage press use and a powder inspection on the reloading tray with a hand held light before the final bullet seating/crimping.

Reload for yourself by whatever method and accept your own (hopefully rare and less destructive) eventual mistakes.

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OK so 10 epic pages letter...

- sponsor guy selling ammo which is having some QC issues
- always best to reload your own
- sh*t happens - watch your reloads even if you do it yourself
- we still don't know who the "dealer" is (or maybe I missed it over the last 10 pages?)

d:h:
 
CMichaud said:
OK so 10 epic pages letter...

- sponsor guy selling ammo which is having some QC issues
- always best to reload your own
- sh*t happens - watch your reloads even if you do it yourself
- we still don't know who the "dealer" is (or maybe I missed it over the last 10 pages?)

d:h:
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I have a feeling who the dealer in question is... But I'd sure like it confirmed or denied.
 
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