Antique status letter for pistol

The letters I have were sometimes, sent to me before I even bought the pistol ( sometimes I didn't, or tried to and was out bid) I wanted to know for sure, before bidding or purchasing, that is was an Antique in Canada. So they sent me the paperwork sometimes as that was the process to find out! Sometimes the friendlier ones would let me know if it was or not, right on the phone. So, they don't know if I actually bought it, and if I did, if I still have it, ( sold some) as it isn't a firearm there are no records to be kept or even a PAL to check!
 
polskiogorki said:
Have to be careful on that one, sometimes one CFO will say one thing and another cfo will say another and the rcmp will say something else.
I really hope that the ones that were classified as antiques are still allowed, but doesn't sound like. If I owned one I would talk to more people even someone at the rcmp who changed this law.
I know some of the converted ones were / are selling for substantial sums of money so would be a kick to the a$$ for those that have or bought one if I am right
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The CFO has nothing to do with classification.
Contact the Specialized Firearm Support Services of the RCMP. You can get patched through after calling 800 731 4000. Get your information right from the source.
The RCMP cannot change the "law". The "law" has not changed. They can interpret the law, but they cannot change it.
 
tiriaq said:
The CFO has nothing to do with classification.
Contact the Specialized Firearm Support Services of the RCMP. You can get patched through after calling 800 731 4000. Get your information right from the source.
The RCMP cannot change the "law". The "law" has not changed. They can interpret the law, but they cannot change it.
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Ok great! Thanks for the info


Btw I just noticed there is an antique forum next to the black powder, should have posted there, my apologies
 
Cameron SS said:
A lot of people get confused by this, but antique handguns are still classed as restricted. Antique is not a separate classification from restricted. It is in addition to. It isnrestricted AND an Antique, and as a result is exempt from many of the requirements of ordinary restricted firearms, such as license, registration etc.

Also, the letter you get from the rcmp is just an opinion. It in no way guarantees that a judge will agree. If the letter was issued by a judge then it would carry some weight. What you give up in exchange for that useless letter is your privacy and anonymity, and if the handgun ban ever comes, your letter puts you on the list. Not even a little bit worth it if you ask me.
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I buy antiques because I like to legally own handguns the government are unaware of. I would not buy an antigue with a letter as it in now in the system. It would be worth no more to me than a regular old restricted.
 
Moodie said:
I buy antiques because I like to legally own handguns the government are unaware of. I would not buy an antigue with a letter as it in now in the system. It would be worth no more to me than a regular old restricted.
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I do the same, i'll buy those with the template letter or no letter at all.
 
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Canuck44 said:
As it was explained to me by the RCMP in Ottawa my 41LC is no longer a firearm and does not fall under the Firearms Act. The only time it would become a firearm is if I used it while committing a crime. At that point the Colt would become a firearm and the crime would be considered an "armed" event. I can shoot the gun anywhere it is legal to fire a non restricted/restricted firearm.

From my discussions it became clear to me a little common sense and good judgement is called for. I would not carry it in an urban area nor would I transport it out in the open. The former to protect myself - I have some trust in the RCMP/Local Police but not enough to bet my life on. No need inviting a take down because someone saw you carrying a handgun.

From my reading there are two conditions the firearm must meet. It must have been manufactured 1898 or earlier and must meet the caliber requirements. My gun was manufactured in 1892 and is in .41 Long Colt. I know in the last 119 years the gun has not been fired more than 200 times, has the worlds worse DA trigger pull and my reloads made from resized 38spl brass stay within five inches at 15 yards. Not an Olympic Free Pistol but good enough for social meetings of the worse kind.

Take Care

Bob
ps I carry the Letter from the RCMP with me when I am out and about. I too found the opinion expressed in a post above amusing. The letter is your get out of jail card. It is worth keeping.
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The rcmp lied to you. No longer a firearm? Lol. Go carry it loaded on a public tour of parliament hill and let us know what you get charged with. Antiques are absolutely still firearms, and are Only exempt from SOME of the regulations for firearms.

Antiques may not be subject to the firearms act, but there are still a dozen offences under criminal code that antiqies are still subject to.
 
So if you don't have the antique status letter and police stop you and they ask you to verify what year your gun was made what do you have for proof ??
 
A Template letter is perfect

If you have a Webley MK1**, on the template letter it is written that all MK1** are prescribed antique, you only have to show the punch mark MK1** on the pistol.

I have showned to one of my friend (policeman) what doest he make of this, he told me that with what he is seeing, there is no confusion.

He would agree that it is indeed an antique pistol.
If you keep calm and explain i dont see were the trouble is.

If you are aggresive then you all ready have 2 strikes against you.
 
At present, the way the law is written, a prescribed or deemed antique firearm may be used more or less the same way that any non-restricted firearm is used.
But it is unlikely that most officers are aware of the specific legal differences between an antique handgun and a modern one. Wanting to have some sort of credible documentation is understandable.
A letter or the template can demonstrate that the thing is antique.
 
Cameron SS said:
The rcmp lied to you. No longer a firearm? Lol. Go carry it loaded on a public tour of parliament hill and let us know what you get charged with. Antiques are absolutely still firearms, and are Only exempt from SOME of the regulations for firearms.

Antiques may not be subject to the firearms act, but there are still a dozen offences under criminal code that antiqies are still subject to.
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I guess you missed the part about using a little common sense. In your example you would not need much. Walk around Parliament Hill with a sling shot and see where it gets you. Nobody lied to me either. The gun becomes a firearm when you use it in a crime, otherwise the Firearms Act does not apply...Why? Because the antitque is deemed not to be a forearm. If it was the gun would fall under the Act. Break the Law ie Criminal Code and as I indicated, you are in a different world.

Take Care

Bob
 
"firearm means a barrelled weapon from which any shot, bullet or other projectile can be discharged and that is capable of causing serious bodily injury or death to a person..."
As defined by the Criminal Code.
 
Colt SAA FRT

This is the Colt FRT date November 2018 See paragraph on conversion from antique calibre to modern caliber assuming it is a *genuine antique* originally, there is no allowance in the FRT to convert a restricted antique to antique status by caliber change


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Canuck44 said:
Nope.

In law it is not a firearm as defined by the Firearms Act period.

Take Care

Bob
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Wrong Bob, it is only deemed to not be a firearm for registration purposes like a pellet gun under 495 Fps or whatever joules it is now. It is indeed a firearm. If your quoting the statement on an Antique Status RCMP letter *deemed not to be a firearm* again that is for registration purposes only. Best to educate yourself on this.
 
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