Archangel M14 Stock

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Hey guys, I tried looking this up in search and found nothing. Anyone on here running an Archangel stock on their Norinco M305/M14 or Springfield M1A? Just looking for opinions on fit/function etc. I'm going to be using it more in the style of a scout/battle rifle more so then a DM rifle if it makes any difference.

Thanks guys,
Mitch
 
Isn't it quite a bit heavier than the regular stock? I would have thought his would be a bad thing for the rifle type you want?

I may be wrong though.
 
BioPace said:
Isn't it quite a bit heavier than the regular stock? I would have thought his would be a bad thing for the rifle type you want?

I may be wrong though.
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It weighs in at 4.2lbs, how heavy is the standard Norinco synthetic stock? I really don't find the weight of the M14 all that bad and I'm really interested in this stock more for the fact that its a pistol grip style without me having to go out and buy AR-15 parts to go on a $500 chassis.

Mitch
 
I have one, I like it but it is damn heavy after carrying it around for a while when hunting!
I dont currently have optics yet, just original peep sights.
So my rig will get even heavier soon!

It has an adjustable cheek riser, so should give good cheekweld once I get a scope on it.
 
I have it...I like it...but like others have said, the rifle is pretty heavy. I started out with a scope but went back to irons fairly quickly. Fitting was easy enough...I believe there's a thread somewhere that shows the spot you might have to dremel (minor).
 
Hunter709 said:
It weighs in at 4.2lbs, how heavy is the standard Norinco synthetic stock? I really don't find the weight of the M14 all that bad and I'm really interested in this stock more for the fact that its a pistol grip style without me having to go out and buy AR-15 parts to go on a $500 chassis.

Mitch
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Here you go:


rhino62 said:
I have weighted different M1A and M14 stock options with the following results:

GI - Fiberglass 2lbs 12 oz's (44 oz's)

Plastic Norinco of 2012 CANAM Shorty 3 lbs 2 oz's (50 oz's)

Boyds M1A Walnut 2 lbs 14 oz's (46 oz's)

GI Birch 2 lbs 7 oz's (39 oz's)

GI Butt plate 7 oz's

Norinco Butt plate 9 oz's

The difference in the butt plate weights is because of different metals used i.e Aluminum and Steel, since the GI butt plate is Aluminum with a steel trap door and steel shoulder support, were as the Norinco is all steel. Also the Birch Stock is old and I am sure has a very low moisture content. The plastic Norinco stock has very sharp edges which do not make it very desirable to carry compared with the other stocks. The Boyds stock actually weighs the same as the GI Fiberglass stock since it had a Norinco Butt plate when I weighted it which is heavier than the GI Butt plate on the fiberglass stock. I have found swapping the GI butt plate with the Norinco one on the Boyd stock makes it balance better and easier to carry even though the weight difference is only two ounces.
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Thanks BioPace, so I'm looking at about a 1/2 pound increase. That shouldn't be too bad considering I'm not really planing on putting an optic on it (for the moment anyway;)). To Tootall & Brordo, does the stock feel solid? Does the pistol grip fit nicely in your hand or is it too small/big? Is the rail on on the front too far ahead to mount a foregrip?

Mitch
 
If feels nice and solid to me...no complaints. The grip is large but I have big hands so no issue there. I can't comment on a foregrip...I use a bipod on mine. Overall, I feel it is a HUGE gain over a stock M14. Worth the money in my opinion.
 
I really like mine but feel you might not like it for a scout style rifle .It is a solid well made stock and I feel more suited for range shooting than hunting.
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To get it to fit correctly you have to cut a groove on the upper right side of the stock that is angled towards the outside of the stock, due to the Chinese receiver being shaped that way on the bottom right side.Here is a pic of my stock showing where I cut the groove on mine.
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This is a pic showing where the Chinese receiver has an angled base
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You may have to remove a little material under the trigger pads as well .REMEMBER TO DO THE TRIGGER AFTER ASSEMBLY TEST !
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You have to get the receiver heel to sit flush at the back like in this pic
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For a scout style rifle I went with a USGI fiberglass stock, Ultimak front rail and a Bushnell TRS-25...the red dot will cowitness with the iron sights
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chalkriver said:
I really like mine but feel you might not like it for a scout style rifle .It is a solid well made stock stock and I feel more suited for range shooting than hunting.
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Chalkriver, that is an awesome looking rifle. The more I look at it I'm wondering if it will work for what I want, but if not I guess its time to buy another M14 :D. Thanks for the heads up on the install, what did you use to cut the grove into the stock? I may be asking you a lot more questions when it gets here. :) If you don't mind me asking, where did you get the Ultimak front rail and do you know where I could get the US (Coast Guard I think?) muzzle break.

Thanks again,
Mitch
 
Hunter709 said:
Chalkriver, that is an awesome looking rifle. The more I look at it I'm wondering if it will work for what I want, but if not I guess its time to buy another M14 :D. Thanks for the heads up on the install, what did you use to cut the grove into the stock? I used a square file that was broke off half way up and a dremmel toolI may be asking you a lot more questions when it gets here. :) If you don't mind me asking, where did you get the Ultimak front rail and do you know where I could get the US (Coast Guard I think?) muzzle break.

Brownells sells the Ultimak

Saw one like this on the EE awhile back $$$$$
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Mine is a Springfield Armory one ...Brownells used to sell them to Canadians but wont anymore
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Hunter709 said:
To Tootall & Brordo, does the stock feel solid? Does the pistol grip fit nicely in your hand or is it too small/big? Is the rail on on the front too far ahead to mount a foregrip?

Mitch
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It feels quite solid. It does have to be filed a bit, as it is very tight fitting around the receiver. I consider this a good thing.
Pistol grip feels fine, but I also have good size hands...
I havent tried to mount a foregrip. I suspect it would be too front heavy.

Brordo, is the rail on the lower side sturdy enough to mount a bipod? I am concerned about snapping the rail.
 
Tootall , I used a yankee hill bipod adapter on mine and it works great...nice and sturdy.
You can see it in the pic I supplied earlier.
 
Heres my 2cents.

Its an awesome stock for the price, very rigid and incredibly tight when fitting the bang bits. But it is heavy. Thats one of those things that is different for everyone. I love a heavy platform, and at 6ft 5 and 250lb I find it manageable, comfortable even. The ergonomic flexibility is the strong point for me and the thing is so solid ( you could hang all sorts of good stuff off it). It just begsfor a bipod and scope....for starters :)
Personally I dont see mine as suitable for CQB........thats a different beast all together.

I would recomend the stock to anyone wthout hesitation....................unless of course you really musthave JAE, SAGE etc.

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And of course.................they look ubersexy after a trip to the shed with the rattle cans.
Drop a 1000 dollar rifle.. your gonna weep, drop this baby and watch it bounce.
Glad I bought mine :)
 
I thought importing flash hiders or muzzle brakes was pretty easy, you just have to make sure they're called brakes not flash hiders in teh commercial invoice. I guess this depends on the policy of the exporter as to whether they're going to get all screamo about selling their stuff overseas to Canada
 
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