Asked to provide pictures of lower to RCMP before they will complete transfer?

I've not gone the 80% route, but it is my understanding that the CFP has been collecting photos as part of the registration process for quite some time.
I wonder if some homebuilders might be the first to receive registered letters demanding submission of their firearms for detailed examination. Lowest hanging fruit.
 
.....and how will the CFO/RCMP determine that the picture of the lower an owner sends is indeed the item to transfer over?
 
Sqr said:
.....and how will the CFO/RCMP determine that the picture of the lower an owner sends is indeed the item to transfer over?
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Serial number in one of the photos?
Or if they notice that the photos coming in for numerous transfers are all of the same gun, harvested off the net?
Is the next step going to be physical inspection, like 12-3s?
 
tiriaq said:
Serial number in one of the photos?
Or if they notice that the photos coming in for numerous transfers are all of the same gun, harvested off the net?
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Well there is zero chance to have a serial number and lower receiver FCG opening depicted in one picture. If this is what the CFO asked for then they are full of shyte.
 
Wonder if the OP's case is an anomaly, or if certain makes of ARs are suspect, a testing of the water, or if this is going to become SOP for all AR transfers?
Anyone heard of any other such requests?
 
If this is purchased from Questar, perhaps you should talk to them and see what they say. They are the official LMT distributor of LMT in Canada.

I don't think LMT plays that thin wall /thick wall game at all.

Putting myself in the seat of the CFO, if I do not know the extent of an issue, I will try to get some real data. It is reasonable to believe they are doing random audit of people through transfer, to compile statistics as to whether it is really an "issue" in the wild. They might put a "cut off" date in the sampling by the year the lowers were registered. I think this is most likely what they are doing.
 
I would refer them to their database of frt's you cannot access. If they don't want to go through the trouble of actually obtaining lowers themselves, they shouldn't bother citizens with gathering information under the guise of justifying their legal right to already owning it.
 
enefgee said:
This actually started with 12.3 transfers, years ago. It can take years to transfer a 12.3, but they actually make you send it to them to verify. Of course when the 12.3 guys complained, no one said anything because they didn't own 12.3's. We get the overlords we create.
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Did the 12.3 guys challenge the CFO under S.74?
 
Sqr said:
Well there is zero chance to have a serial number and lower receiver FCG opening depicted in one picture. If this is what the CFO asked for then they are full of shyte.
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Ya but if one picture has a kitchen background, and the next has a background of a field in Kansas, they might get suspicious lol
 
stevebc said:
I self-represented in a S. 74 challenge, it isn't that hard if you've done your homework and are prepared.
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Can you elaborate on the process? No need for details on your case but how did you apply? Who do you send the application to? How long did it take to be heard? Who was there? What kind of questions asked?

I understand the burden of proof falls on you so how would you go about proving that they don't need pictures to verify your lower? If I get asked to provide pictures I would love to go to court over it as long as I know what to do and say. I'm not a firearm expert OR a legal expert...
 
OldFrankHog said:
I understand the burden of proof falls on you so how would you go about proving that they don't need pictures to verify your lower?
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In this case I think there should be no reason to ask for pictures in the first place in order to approve the transfer - thus the application of the S.74.
The RCMP will already have an FRT for that rifle or lower. They know what it is and it should not require verification - unless they arbitrarily are changing FRT's or are just fishing.
 
Paul_T said:
In this case I think there should be no reason to ask for pictures in the first place in order to approve the transfer - thus the application of the S.74.
The RCMP will already have an FRT for that rifle or lower. They know what it is and it should not require verification - unless they arbitrarily are changing FRT's or are just fishing.
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I agree but it is YOUR responsibility to provide proof they don't need them. How would you do that? Just saying "they dun need em picture" won't get you very far I think.
 
OldFrankHog said:
I agree but it is YOUR responsibility to provide proof they don't need them. How would you do that? Just saying "they dun need em picture" won't get you very far I think.
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Not unless the judge was having a bad day, lol.

It would need to presented such that the information they already had at their disposal would not require photographs or any other additional information for that matter in order to complete the transfer.
The FRT (which they wrote) has all the information they should require to complete said transfer.
 
They have inspected firearms prior to give the FRT number hence they should know what it looks like. Do they have a database with pictures to accompany FRT entries ? Maybe thin or thick walls was not something they were looking for in the past and that changed?
 
Paul_T said:
In this case I think there should be no reason to ask for pictures in the first place in order to approve the transfer - thus the application of the S.74.
The RCMP will already have an FRT for that rifle or lower. They know what it is and it should not require verification - unless they arbitrarily are changing FRT's or are just fishing.
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This will prohibit the 80% completed lowers..... another small baby step people.
 
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