ATRS 50 Brake

Doc M said:
How about the guy who had a Vais, which Rick swapped for an ATRS, and says the new brake is twice as effective as the old one?

(That would be Kevan, btw.)

-M
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Yes, that would be me......my shoulders, eyesight, and the rest of my carcass is 64 yrs. old, getting arthritic, and in all honesty were it not for the brake improvement on my big gun, I would find another game to play.
As an aside, I also have a very fine Nesika 338 LAI with a similar brake.
Recoil is about the same as a 243,accuracy is awesome due in part to the controllability factor,
Actually I started shooting the 50 with the Vais brake about 6 months after rotator cuff surgery, and it was rough.
However, the gill brake makes it handle like a completely different gun....I'm sold on them. :)
 
If you have used them both and say that you like the ATRS better than I'm glad it's working for you.

I'm not going to jump on the bandwagon and start saying that the gill brake is better than the Vais based on one persons opinion though. I will however if i get the chance compare them both and see what one I like better.

Even if it's "better" i don't believe that it would be by double!!! not even for a second.

And if it is better as far as felt recoil goes than i would like to know what one is better as far as accuracy goes.

The fact still remains that if you have two ports on each side your not venting the gas evenly from behind the bullet. if you have a 360 degree ported brake you are venting the gas evenly from behind the bullet.

There must be something to the theory of venting the gas evenly or i don't imagine the man holding the world record would use a 360 degree ported brake if a fish gill brake were better.

Has anyone on here tried the clam shell brake on a 50BMG I have herd there supposed to be better at reducing recoil than the fish gill, but then you are getting back into the same situation as the SYEYR and armalite were the gases are coming back at the shooter. Which in my opinion is not nearly as severe as some people like to make it out to be in order to sell there own product.
 
fullthrottle8 said:
the difference being that i said i "THINK" the Vais is better.

I cant say for sure based on the fact that i don't have both of them in my hands!! but based on what i have read, herd and seen with other brakes my opinion would be that the Vais is a better brake as far as accuracy goes!!!!!!

Are you having a hard time telling the difference between "thinking" something is better based on its design and knowing something is better because you have used them both!!!!!!
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So your long winded blather is based on your not having 1 lick of experience with either brake???????

You may not like me and thats ok, I apologize for thinking you were someone else, but your post came off seeming like someone else I know.

How about when you actually have something to base your opinions on come back and share them with us?

I am basing my posts on 30 plus years of real world 50 cal experience and those who actually know me, know I call a spade a spade and unlike many retailers do not carry products that I do not 100% believe in.
 
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Doc M said:
Holy COW... that puts it in perspective right there!

A 338 LAI with the recoil of a .243??? :runaway:

Meeeeeeeee RIKEYYYYYYY!

-M
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Seriously....you gotta try it to believe it....if you do you will !
Ask Rick, he built it and used it for quite a while before I forced him to sell it, or did he force me to buy it ??....I can't remember !
It is without a doubt my all-time favorite coyote rifle, and I've been shooting at them since they slunk off the Ark. :D
 
The fact still remains that if you have two ports on each side your not venting the gas evenly from behind the bullet. if you have a 360 degree ported brake you are venting the gas evenly from behind the bullet.
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Could you please explain how a perfectly symmetrical gill brake does not vent gas evenly from around the bullet?

As long as the brake is symmetrical, it doesn't really matter what shape it is, the forces imparted on the bullet by the gas will be equalized around the circumference of the bullet.

The test of a symmetrical brake is if you sectioned it at any point where the cross section passes through the middle of the bore, the two resulting halves will be the same. A gill brake can be perfectly symmetrical as long as the gills are centered on the bore and are machined exactly across from each other.
 
fullthrottle8 said:
If you have used them both and say that you like the ATRS better than I'm glad it's working for you.

I'm not going to jump on the bandwagon and start saying that the gill brake is better than the Vais based on one persons opinion though. I will however if i get the chance compare them both and see what one I like better.

Even if it's "better" i don't believe that it would be by double!!! not even for a second.

And if it is better as far as felt recoil goes than i would like to know what one is better as far as accuracy goes.

The fact still remains that if you have two ports on each side your not venting the gas evenly from behind the bullet. if you have a 360 degree ported brake you are venting the gas evenly from behind the bullet.

There must be something to the theory of venting the gas evenly or i don't imagine the man holding the world record would use a 360 degree ported brake if a fish gill brake were better.

Has anyone on here tried the clam shell brake on a 50BMG I have herd there supposed to be better at reducing recoil than the fish gill, but then you are getting back into the same situation as the SYEYR and armalite were the gases are coming back at the shooter. Which in my opinion is not nearly as severe as some people like to make it out to be in order to sell there own product.
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Shoot a round multi-directional brake prone, in the dirt, and get back us about how well it performs. Chances are your precious world record holder shoots that particular brake because they pay him to do so. Bottom line.
If you think you can shoot well enough to tell the difference between one style of well made brake, and another, then you should be the one holding records.
Clam/Gill brakes are designed the way they are for several reasons, and hold several records themselves. If you have ever seen a slow motion picture of any type of firearm being shot, you'd realize that most of the gas comes out before the bullet, therefore, according to your theory, this would have little or no effect on accuracy.
Maybe you should do some research on your own, about how things work, before you start blowing smoke about something you know nothing about.

R.
 
Kevan said:
Seriously....you gotta try it to believe it....if you do you will !
Ask Rick, he built it and used it for quite a while before I forced him to sell it, or did he force me to buy it ??....I can't remember !
It is without a doubt my all-time favorite coyote rifle, and I've been shooting at them since they slunk off the Ark. :D
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I want to... I want to SO badly... someday, I'll have all kinds of "reach out and touch some(thing)" rigs. I want a 50 BMG so bad I can taste it, but it's just not a viable option right now.

Someday, my pretty... *pets evil cat*

-M
 
Rman said:
Shoot a round multi-directional brake prone, in the dirt, and get back us about how well it performs. Chances are your precious world record holder shoots that particular brake because they pay him to do so. Bottom line.
If you think you can shoot well enough to tell the difference between one style of well made brake, and another, then you should be the one holding records.
Clam/Gill brakes are designed the way they are for several reasons, and hold several records themselves. If you have ever seen a slow motion picture of any type of firearm being shot, you'd realize that most of the gas comes out before the bullet, therefore, according to your theory, this would have little or no effect on accuracy.
Maybe you should do some research on your own, about how things work, before you start blowing smoke about something you know nothing about.

R.
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pretty sure they dont pay him to shoot a brake that he build by himselfe u dork!!!!!!!
 
were are the calculations?? let me see th eefficiency comparison between these two brakes. no one has come up with that yet?????
 
fullthrottle8,

Respectfully speaking here.
We are all here to learn, but you have attacked members here with nothing other than unsubstantiated opinion and (in my opinion) are coming off base.

You don't have to like someone or even like their opinion, but you might want to consider being a little more respectful.

Strong opinions are good, just mellow a half notch.
 
Why do I feel yet another thread getting locked?
Was it troll season??
Even the guy (Scott) who I thought throttle might be called me and advised me he does not want to be associated with this fellow with his VERY limited knowledge but substantial opinions all based on a total lack of experience..

Dillon, if you want to cut back several notches on the attitude, bring your rifle up and I will prove to you beyond a shadow of a doubt to you that I am correct.
I have several 50s with assorted brakes on them. You pay for the ammo and you are welcome to shoot and find out the truth. Ofcourse then a posted apology would be expected.
 
Ok first off, all i stated from the very begining was that the Vais brake is a proven design and that i feel it is better, cheaper, and the design is used by the guy holding the world record!!!!!

If it as not good then he probably wouldnt be setting records with it would he?? and he built it him selfe he's not being paid to use it!!!!

I made a simple suggestion that the 360 degree ported muzzel brake be worth a try and suddenly it has to be turned in to a huge issue??? and i'm the 12 year old here bahaha
 
Rman said:
You don't know how a brake, or bullets work, and you spell worse than I do, and I'm the dork? Get an f'ing clue sonny. Do your own research, and find out some results for yourself.

R.
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so basiclly you cut me down, tell me everything i have read, been told, or seen is wrong but yet i'm the imature one because i call you a dork in return??? so then the best you can come back with is to continue telling me that i don't know how anything works and swear at me. But yet i'm the one attacking others???

ok then
 
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