ATT's what you need to know
- Thread starter Slavex
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- where it rains
I just got a short term ATT today and i was pleased to find out that i could receive my ATT via email...thought that might be a good piece of info to add for all those out there without access to a fax machine.Note: I live in BC
Manitoba ATT
I thought I'd post an update as to how ATT's are currently being handled in Manitoba; or rather how my ATT was handled:
1. Firearms "authorized" to transport - I was not able to get "all restricted firearms for which I possess a valid registration certificate for." Only those firearms registered in my name are on my ATT. Specifically, only the registration certificate numbers for the restricted firearms I possess are listed. However, if you plan to regularly borrow certain restricted firearms, you can have those firearms added to your ATT along with the owner's PAL number.
2. Reason for transport - If you were just a member of one gun club and did not partake in any competition shooting events (IPSC, etc.) I get the impression the ATT would read "from your place of residence to your gun club" only. I mentioned my involvement with IPSC and my ATT states "from all approved ranges in which the holder has a valid membership or is a guest of in Manitoba." You will need a history of inter-provincial travel for them to add additional provinces. Until you have this history you will likely not get a multi-province ATT. I didn't try to get "all approved gunsmiths" or "all controlled border crossings" however it seemed unlikely this would be granted.
3. Frequency of transport - "From dawn to dusk for all outdoor ranges and during the hours of operation for all indoor ranges including travel time." From 0:00 to 0:00.
4. Gun Club Membership - you definitely must possess a valid range membership and you must show them your member card. Otherwise, no ATT.
I went to the Chief Firearms Office (Phone 984-0715, Fax 984-0670), located at Unit 1, 1680 Ellice Avenue, in person and my ATT was ready and in my hands in about 7 minutes. I wouldn't even bother wasting your time filling in the application forms. She took all my information vebally and typed out the ATT in very short order.
Another tidbit - Manitoba isn't in the 21st century just yet - ATT's can't be issued via email like in BC. Fax only.
All in all, it was a fairly painless process and I was content with the ATT as issued.
I thought I'd post an update as to how ATT's are currently being handled in Manitoba; or rather how my ATT was handled:
1. Firearms "authorized" to transport - I was not able to get "all restricted firearms for which I possess a valid registration certificate for." Only those firearms registered in my name are on my ATT. Specifically, only the registration certificate numbers for the restricted firearms I possess are listed. However, if you plan to regularly borrow certain restricted firearms, you can have those firearms added to your ATT along with the owner's PAL number.
2. Reason for transport - If you were just a member of one gun club and did not partake in any competition shooting events (IPSC, etc.) I get the impression the ATT would read "from your place of residence to your gun club" only. I mentioned my involvement with IPSC and my ATT states "from all approved ranges in which the holder has a valid membership or is a guest of in Manitoba." You will need a history of inter-provincial travel for them to add additional provinces. Until you have this history you will likely not get a multi-province ATT. I didn't try to get "all approved gunsmiths" or "all controlled border crossings" however it seemed unlikely this would be granted.
3. Frequency of transport - "From dawn to dusk for all outdoor ranges and during the hours of operation for all indoor ranges including travel time." From 0:00 to 0:00.
4. Gun Club Membership - you definitely must possess a valid range membership and you must show them your member card. Otherwise, no ATT.
I went to the Chief Firearms Office (Phone 984-0715, Fax 984-0670), located at Unit 1, 1680 Ellice Avenue, in person and my ATT was ready and in my hands in about 7 minutes. I wouldn't even bother wasting your time filling in the application forms. She took all my information vebally and typed out the ATT in very short order.
Another tidbit - Manitoba isn't in the 21st century just yet - ATT's can't be issued via email like in BC. Fax only.
All in all, it was a fairly painless process and I was content with the ATT as issued.
BC now has gun club membership requirement
As of June 1 2007 you need to show a copy of your club membership with your name membership ID Number and expiry date to get a long term ATT.
Or so the nice lady just told me since I didn't include such info with my application.
As of June 1 2007 you need to show a copy of your club membership with your name membership ID Number and expiry date to get a long term ATT.
Or so the nice lady just told me since I didn't include such info with my application.
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- Kumankissmyass, BC
Tiwaz said:
Was this a new ATT or a renewal?
interesting... because the new policy was supposed to be in effect as of june 1st, maybe i will submit an application and see what happens
New Shooter - Horrible Experience with Alberta FC!!!
Wow I just called the ATT office for Alberta. This chick sounded like she REALLY did not want to talk to me, she RUSHED the phone call and didn't even ask my name just got my licence - didn't even confirm that the person calling was me! Extremly pushy! As a first time ever calling and not knowing much this is REALLY aggravating! CFC has always been good to me whenever I call and that I am grateful for. But after hearing how friendly the Firearms Centre in Alberta is I am really disappointed. The woman got all snarky with me too! After asking for a ATT good for 24/7 she said "and why would you want your guns on you for 24/7? you can't have your guns on you for 24/7, if you went to travel you have to be a member of a club wherever you travel, don't people read their ATT conditions? you can't do that." Well first every CFC i've spoken with refers to it as the polite form - pistol or at least firearm. Then I tell her that I was recommended by several (CGNers!) to ask for a 24/7 ATT valid for all ranges in Alberta/Western Canada - ok now she goes on a vengeful gripe... then I said "well what if I plan on doing competitions? do i still have to join the club where I plan on doing the competition???" Then she went into another rant and said well what were you planning on doing and lists all the different competitions so fast !!!! I said no IPSC was the first I was planning on doing. Then she says well then call us when you are a member then, then we can add anywhere in western Canada, anything else?
At this point i am left speechless at how i am being treated! I just say no send me my ATT and get off. I just can't believe some people! I've worked in a call centre before and understand when someone is annoying! - but when you're dealing with firearms! You don't RUSH people! I was being polite and was just asking simple newbie questions that she didn't have to be so rude about! If she didn't have the power to revolk my firearms etc I would have given her an ear full about proper etiquette!
I am so upset I can't even type properly or put in proper grammar sorry! Argh!
Wow I just called the ATT office for Alberta. This chick sounded like she REALLY did not want to talk to me, she RUSHED the phone call and didn't even ask my name just got my licence - didn't even confirm that the person calling was me! Extremly pushy! As a first time ever calling and not knowing much this is REALLY aggravating! CFC has always been good to me whenever I call and that I am grateful for. But after hearing how friendly the Firearms Centre in Alberta is I am really disappointed. The woman got all snarky with me too! After asking for a ATT good for 24/7 she said "and why would you want your guns on you for 24/7? you can't have your guns on you for 24/7, if you went to travel you have to be a member of a club wherever you travel, don't people read their ATT conditions? you can't do that." Well first every CFC i've spoken with refers to it as the polite form - pistol or at least firearm. Then I tell her that I was recommended by several (CGNers!) to ask for a 24/7 ATT valid for all ranges in Alberta/Western Canada - ok now she goes on a vengeful gripe... then I said "well what if I plan on doing competitions? do i still have to join the club where I plan on doing the competition???" Then she went into another rant and said well what were you planning on doing and lists all the different competitions so fast !!!! I said no IPSC was the first I was planning on doing. Then she says well then call us when you are a member then, then we can add anywhere in western Canada, anything else?
At this point i am left speechless at how i am being treated! I just say no send me my ATT and get off. I just can't believe some people! I've worked in a call centre before and understand when someone is annoying! - but when you're dealing with firearms! You don't RUSH people! I was being polite and was just asking simple newbie questions that she didn't have to be so rude about! If she didn't have the power to revolk my firearms etc I would have given her an ear full about proper etiquette!
I am so upset I can't even type properly or put in proper grammar sorry! Argh!
- Location
- WMU247 near Edmonton
no problems really, I still don't have a membership and had no problems with my last transfer and long term ATT
Tell us that you have since called the Alberta CFO again and talked to her boss about her attitude? That's really uncalled for. And no SHE does not have the powder to take your guns. She is a paper pusher only that is working FOR YOU.
Fudd
Just call the CFO and they'll issue you a new long term ATT and also mail one to your club. Be careful though, don't tell them you've moved already if you didn't get a short term ATT to move your guns to your new house! If you've moved and didn't get a short term ATT then phone them now and get a short term ATT for all your restricteds. Then call later today and tell them you've finished moving and transfer your address.
-Jamie M.
-Jamie M.
Different/ Special ATT for IPSC and CDPA Matches
I just found out that if i want to transport my restricted firearm to the range to shoot an IPSC or MDPL/CDPA MATCH, I need a special ATT.
The long term ATT i have is only good for target practice only!
If i want to shoot a match i need to fax/mail or in person a copy of my IPSC/CDPA Membership card in order to get an ATT for matches.
This is coming out of the Manitoba CFO's mouth.
What's going on!!!!!
It's all down hill from here!
Anyone's thoughts/ feelings?????????????
I just found out that if i want to transport my restricted firearm to the range to shoot an IPSC or MDPL/CDPA MATCH, I need a special ATT.
The long term ATT i have is only good for target practice only!
If i want to shoot a match i need to fax/mail or in person a copy of my IPSC/CDPA Membership card in order to get an ATT for matches.
This is coming out of the Manitoba CFO's mouth.
What's going on!!!!!
It's all down hill from here!
Anyone's thoughts/ feelings?????????????
Re: ATT validity
There is nothing new here. Read the Application form (for ATTs).
"C - REASON FOR TRANSPORT"
"Box 10 - You may include any number of firearms on your application form but you must be transporting all of these firearms for the same reason. If you want to transport the same firearm for more than one reason, you are required to fill out a separate application form for each reason. For example, if you are applying to transport firearms A and B to and from a business for appraisal, you may fill in only one form. But if you also want to transport firearm A to and from a gun show, you are required to fill in a second form."
"Put a (checkmark) in the box that describes the reason you are applying to move your firearm(s). You may check only one box. If none of the boxes applies, put a (checkmark) in box n) and print the reason beside it. The last three reasons listed - that is, Boxes o), p) and q) - apply only if you are transporting restricted firearms or prohibited handguns. They do not apply to other prohibited firearms..."
Reason o) is "...for target practice...(name of club)".
Reason p) is "...target shooting competition...(name of event)".
Reason q) is "...target shooting competition or target practice...(specify conditions)".
You will find that you may require multiple application forms for each (long-term) ATT application process, for which the CFO will (probably) issue one (multiple-use, long-term) ATT.
It's really no big deal.
There is nothing new here. Read the Application form (for ATTs).
"C - REASON FOR TRANSPORT"
"Box 10 - You may include any number of firearms on your application form but you must be transporting all of these firearms for the same reason. If you want to transport the same firearm for more than one reason, you are required to fill out a separate application form for each reason. For example, if you are applying to transport firearms A and B to and from a business for appraisal, you may fill in only one form. But if you also want to transport firearm A to and from a gun show, you are required to fill in a second form."
"Put a (checkmark) in the box that describes the reason you are applying to move your firearm(s). You may check only one box. If none of the boxes applies, put a (checkmark) in box n) and print the reason beside it. The last three reasons listed - that is, Boxes o), p) and q) - apply only if you are transporting restricted firearms or prohibited handguns. They do not apply to other prohibited firearms..."
Reason o) is "...for target practice...(name of club)".
Reason p) is "...target shooting competition...(name of event)".
Reason q) is "...target shooting competition or target practice...(specify conditions)".
You will find that you may require multiple application forms for each (long-term) ATT application process, for which the CFO will (probably) issue one (multiple-use, long-term) ATT.
It's really no big deal.
Not unless the FIN is listed on her ATT she can't.
JD
EDIT: Since posting this response, I've read 'the rest of the story' here in this thread and can now see that things just ain't the same cost-to-coast. I just 'ass-u-med' that the federal Firearms Act was applicable to all provinces and territories. I can see now that's not the case. That said, my original post above IS the way it is here in NB.
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I just had an amazing thing happen here from the BC/Yukon office.
On Sunday night my son with my help faxed in his first ATT application.
In todays mail "Yes thats right only 3 days later" his completed ATT arrived in the mail...
D*mn I love BC it is the BEST PLACE ON EARTH...
On Sunday night my son with my help faxed in his first ATT application.
In todays mail "Yes thats right only 3 days later" his completed ATT arrived in the mail...
D*mn I love BC it is the BEST PLACE ON EARTH...
D*mn I love BC it is the BEST PLACE ON EARTH...
Yer making me really homesick.
