ATT's what you need to know
- Thread starter Slavex
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ATT's and "rules" differ from CFO to CFO and from Province to Province.
This SHOULD NOT be the case as it is Federal legislation, but reality is that different CFO's and Provinces "interpret" the legislation in different ways and since the Federal government doesn't seem to want to take it over and administer it uniformly across the country what we're left with is every region doing its' own thing based on their "interpretation" and the political pressures coming from their municipal and provincial politicians.
In some parts of the country (depending on where the buyer lives) we can initiate a transfer without giving the buyer's gun club membership or LT ATT number (Manitoba for example)... in other parts of the country you DO NOT have to be a member of a gun club but you do have to have a LT ATT (BC/Yukon for example). In some provinces a gun club membership is required but no membership # is needed for us to initiate a transfer (Ontario and Quebec) though legitimate recognized "Collectors" can get transfer of "restricted" firearms without being gun club members. In Alberta we need to supply both gun club name and membership number. Out east we're asked for gun club name but that's all.
When it comes to ATT's they also vary widely across the country... and sometimes even in the same province. Western CFO's seem to issue the most general ATT's.
In Ontario the typicall LT ATT will allow the holder to transport all
Restricted Firearms and Prohibited Handguns registered to the holder's address (thus you can transport your wife/husbands' firearms as long as you have a valid PAL and have the Reg Cert.)... from your storage address to a range approved by the CFO within the province of Ontario... thus you can't borrow someone elses gun and transport it to the range since the gun is likely not registered as stored at your address.
In Ontario if you want to take the firearm to another province you need to apply for a Temporary ATT to do so. You'll also need a separate ATT to take your firearms to the US... and a separate ATT to take a gun to the gunsmith... heck you even need a separate Temporary ATT to attend a match at Connaught range since it's technically a DND range and NOT "approved" by the CFO.
It's a real pain for those of us living in Ontario and Quebec.
This SHOULD NOT be the case as it is Federal legislation, but reality is that different CFO's and Provinces "interpret" the legislation in different ways and since the Federal government doesn't seem to want to take it over and administer it uniformly across the country what we're left with is every region doing its' own thing based on their "interpretation" and the political pressures coming from their municipal and provincial politicians.
In some parts of the country (depending on where the buyer lives) we can initiate a transfer without giving the buyer's gun club membership or LT ATT number (Manitoba for example)... in other parts of the country you DO NOT have to be a member of a gun club but you do have to have a LT ATT (BC/Yukon for example). In some provinces a gun club membership is required but no membership # is needed for us to initiate a transfer (Ontario and Quebec) though legitimate recognized "Collectors" can get transfer of "restricted" firearms without being gun club members. In Alberta we need to supply both gun club name and membership number. Out east we're asked for gun club name but that's all.
When it comes to ATT's they also vary widely across the country... and sometimes even in the same province. Western CFO's seem to issue the most general ATT's.
In Ontario the typicall LT ATT will allow the holder to transport all
Restricted Firearms and Prohibited Handguns registered to the holder's address (thus you can transport your wife/husbands' firearms as long as you have a valid PAL and have the Reg Cert.)... from your storage address to a range approved by the CFO within the province of Ontario... thus you can't borrow someone elses gun and transport it to the range since the gun is likely not registered as stored at your address.
In Ontario if you want to take the firearm to another province you need to apply for a Temporary ATT to do so. You'll also need a separate ATT to take your firearms to the US... and a separate ATT to take a gun to the gunsmith... heck you even need a separate Temporary ATT to attend a match at Connaught range since it's technically a DND range and NOT "approved" by the CFO.
It's a real pain for those of us living in Ontario and Quebec.
Thank you Questar, that answers my question. For once, things are simpler than what I'd imagined! I thought LTATTs specified the gun and serial #...
They "can" but in Ontario, generally, if you are a gun club member then your club will apply for your LT ATT and generally it will be issued for not just "your" guns but all Restricted Firearms and Prohibited Handguns registered to a specific address (this allows both my wife and I to transport each other's guns to and from the range). It also means we don't have to reapply for a new LT ATT every time we buy a new gun.
But if I ask for a "Temporary" permit for US border, or gunsmith or a match, then I supply them with the Certificate Numbers of the guns I want to transport and the ATT lists those specific guns.
It was not that many years ago (5 or 6) that Ontario issued LT ATT's that simply said "for which I was in possession of the Registration Certificate" which meant we could transport to and from the range borrowed guns, etc... but those days are over
We also used to be able to get Cross Canada Permits that were good for attending matches or target practice pretty much at any range across Canada and they were issued for a year at a time... those days are over too
Woah, so here in BC we can't even have a restricted firearm transfered to our name without already having a LTATT? What sense does this make? They are chasing their own paperwork around, how could you possibly fill out the form to spec then? (yes, I know a lot of people have got away with leaving things blank, but is this STILL the case?)
This really screws me up, because I can't even join my local gun range until Winter is over because of their land lease policy and a quirky law about not being able to apply without a 'working range' or something.
Does anyone have any recent updates as to how things are being handled in BC? I can see the argument to require range membership to get a LTATT, but to require the LTATT before you can initiate a transfer makes no sense at all. I thought that was the WHOLE POINT of the temporary transport system.
This really screws me up, because I can't even join my local gun range until Winter is over because of their land lease policy and a quirky law about not being able to apply without a 'working range' or something.
Does anyone have any recent updates as to how things are being handled in BC? I can see the argument to require range membership to get a LTATT, but to require the LTATT before you can initiate a transfer makes no sense at all. I thought that was the WHOLE POINT of the temporary transport system.
Howdy folks
I'm in B.C. and when I bought my first handgun I had to pay for it first and then wait for the transfer to take place. I could then get a temorary att from CFC to take it home. I then had to send for a long term Att from the provincal officer.
Since then I simply buy what I want and take it home after it's transfered.
I'm in B.C. and when I bought my first handgun I had to pay for it first and then wait for the transfer to take place. I could then get a temorary att from CFC to take it home. I then had to send for a long term Att from the provincal officer.
Since then I simply buy what I want and take it home after it's transfered.
Okay, after waiting on the phone for about an hour (estimated 5 minutes my ass) with the BC CFO office I got the scoop on the current LTATT process. Yes, you MUST include a copy of your membership card at a range in order for the permit to be processed. I innocently asked why this wasn't on any of the forms or the websites and was met with an icy silence.
Yeah, I was talking to the woman whom I have seen mentioned a couple of times here. She wasn't 'rude' persay but certainly abrupt and not really all that friendly. Whatever, at least I know sending the form in without proof of membership would only delay stuff even longer.
I still don't understand what the LTATT has to do with purchasing or receiving a firearm in the mail, but whatever. Who can make sense of most of the gun regs?!
Yeah, I was talking to the woman whom I have seen mentioned a couple of times here. She wasn't 'rude' persay but certainly abrupt and not really all that friendly. Whatever, at least I know sending the form in without proof of membership would only delay stuff even longer.
I still don't understand what the LTATT has to do with purchasing or receiving a firearm in the mail, but whatever. Who can make sense of most of the gun regs?!
- Location
- BC lower mainland
Alberta att's
In Oct. 07 I talked to the AB CFO about a Western Canada att, and was told they no longer issue them. No reason given.
In Oct. 07 I talked to the AB CFO about a Western Canada att, and was told they no longer issue them. No reason given.
From my understanding we are to show them to any law enforcement officer that asks to see them.
Here in BC the CO's are refusing to check registration certificates only because they didn't get a pay raise to cover the extra work but if your being a d*nk to them I guarantee they will check.
Here in BC the CO's are refusing to check registration certificates only because they didn't get a pay raise to cover the extra work but if your being a d*nk to them I guarantee they will check.
club membership for B.C.
hi- melissa told me that belonging to a registered gun club was mandatory for approval for a long term ATT. it had to do with "why would one want to travel if there was no legal place to take the restricted arms?" kinda thing
incidentally, she is a helpful and knowledgeable person to deal with and a consistent contact
hi- melissa told me that belonging to a registered gun club was mandatory for approval for a long term ATT. it had to do with "why would one want to travel if there was no legal place to take the restricted arms?" kinda thing
incidentally, she is a helpful and knowledgeable person to deal with and a consistent contact
- Location
- Kumankissmyass, BC
The only problem with that is you can shoot at many clubs simply with a day pass no membership required..
heavenIsAlie
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Abbotsford
the ATT info at the start of this thread for alberta still true?
meadowmuffin3
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- In the Dog House mostly
I don't think I saw an answer to the following scenario in any of the prior posts. But if mistaken I apologize.
I live in Ontario
I have just purchased a handgun.
I belong to a club.
I want to be able to take my handgun into Michigan to shoot at a club or eventually obtain a carry permit for that state.
Can I obtain a long term ATT that states I can take the handgun to any approved club but also to border crossing points?
Also, do I have to continue to have the club make my renewal application in advance of first ATT expiry date? I would prefer to do this myself as I do no like to be tied to a single club; may join a second.
I live in Ontario
I have just purchased a handgun.
I belong to a club.
I want to be able to take my handgun into Michigan to shoot at a club or eventually obtain a carry permit for that state.
Can I obtain a long term ATT that states I can take the handgun to any approved club but also to border crossing points?
Also, do I have to continue to have the club make my renewal application in advance of first ATT expiry date? I would prefer to do this myself as I do no like to be tied to a single club; may join a second.
heavenIsAlie
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Abbotsford
just tried to get an ATT for BC and Alberta, and even though i have a bc drivers license ect they had a problem with it. got transfered to an answering machine
Manitoba ATT IPSC Shooter
Well my Restricted ATT's were change drastically late in June last year.
-Now I got three ATT....with all the normal statement like require to be possession of the registration...and the registration number are written on each ATT..direct routing ect....
But overall they are 3 ATT's and goes like this...
1- To go from Home to Range for practice, I was also required to proved that I belong to that range.....
2- For Competition across Canada WITH invitation letter.
3- From home to any border crossing and return..
Previous to this I had the same requirements and better benefits, it was all on a single ATT and it didn't list the registration numbers...all I needed was to be in possession of the registration when I had what ever pistols with me....meaning I could bring somebody else pistol as long as I have the registration with me. I can still transport for others but now I require to tell MB CFO and get another set of ATT's just a lot of paperwork all the time....oh well at least I can still transport them.
Well my Restricted ATT's were change drastically late in June last year.
-Now I got three ATT....with all the normal statement like require to be possession of the registration...and the registration number are written on each ATT..direct routing ect....
But overall they are 3 ATT's and goes like this...
1- To go from Home to Range for practice, I was also required to proved that I belong to that range.....
2- For Competition across Canada WITH invitation letter.
3- From home to any border crossing and return..
Previous to this I had the same requirements and better benefits, it was all on a single ATT and it didn't list the registration numbers...all I needed was to be in possession of the registration when I had what ever pistols with me....meaning I could bring somebody else pistol as long as I have the registration with me. I can still transport for others but now I require to tell MB CFO and get another set of ATT's just a lot of paperwork all the time....oh well at least I can still transport them.
