Auto-Forward on Mag insertion: Feature? Bug?

Slavex said:
I've only shot a few million rounds through a variety of modern semi autos, all of which auto forwarded when the mag was inserted with force, never once had a failure to pick up a round doing so, not once. Nor have I ever seen a failure of that type in 20 years of competition shooting, with a large variety of firearms. If the slide doesn't go forward you either hit the release or manually rack and release. This isn't rocket surgery.
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Thank you Slavex!
Happens ever time on my wife's SFP9, whether you think it's a " design feature" or not,, it works for her and she likes it. So much that she had her M&P 2.0 in .45 " fixed" by our buddy so it would also do it consistently for her. It's a time saver and I also have never seen it fail to pick up a round, ever, not even once :)
 
Despite what some ppl say, auto-forward can be attributed to both a) physics (i.e. how hard you tap) and b) mechanics (i.e. magazine/gun combination). And b) could further be broken into intentional handgun feature and magazines exploiting handgun specifics to achieve AF.
 
OkayShooter said:
What are you referring to as, budget gamer guns? I wouldn't really refer to a M&P as Quality. Considering they are the spawn of the S&W Sigma and SD9 ( Sub 350$ guns )
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I like my budget gamer CZ, and the fact it auto forwards. Like Slavex, Edgy, and others, it too has never failed to pick up a round. :)
 
I had a feeling this topic would go south pretty quick, lol.
Some of my pistols do it more easily than others but I don't care either way. Personally, I like using the slide stop :stirthepot2:.

Queue the next 45 replies about how it's not a release...

Cheers!
 
4n2t0 said:
Queue the next 45 replies about how it's not a release...
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....but I like how the slide auto forwards when it’s released from its locked back position by pressing the lever that releases it. Hmmm.... it functions as if it was intentionally designed to release the slide when it is pressed. Not sure what I’d call it. Lol!

That method is my second favourite. :)
 
Slavex said:
I've only shot a few million rounds through a variety of modern semi autos, all of which auto forwarded when the mag was inserted with force, never once had a failure to pick up a round doing so, not once. Nor have I ever seen a failure of that type in 20 years of competition shooting, with a large variety of firearms. If the slide doesn't go forward you either hit the release or manually rack and release. This isn't rocket surgery.
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Can I ask if you intentionally insert mags forcefully when in competition..not being sarcastic, is this your reloading method? (In the event you shoot to slide-stop that is). It would save considerable time during reloads, is it repeatable enough to count on..or do you find yourself on the release often? Im assuming this is with Czs?

I shoot Shadows of various models and mods and none of them are prone to an autoforward, though I may not be loading mags that forcefully..and I havent had a chance to try since reading your post.
 
smally21 said:
Can I ask if you intentionally insert mags forcefully when in competition..not being sarcastic, is this your reloading method? (In the event you shoot to slide-stop that is). It would save considerable time during reloads, is it repeatable enough to count on..or do you find yourself on the release often? Im assuming this is with Czs?

I shoot Shadows of various models and mods and none of them are prone to an autoforward, though I may not be loading mags that forcefully..and I havent had a chance to try since reading your post.
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Slavex might have a different answer but for me I would say with the adrenaline going while you’re shooting a stage it’s not something I even think about. If you are reloading at slide lock chances are things aren’t quite going as planned and I might subconsciously do it a little more aggressively. And even if it doesn’t do it the slide stop on the Shadows is well designed and super easy to engage for me so I can engage it without missing a beat.
 
It's not a design feature, but due to how little surface area the slide release has in contact with the slide, it isn't uncommon for it to slip when the magazine is inserted forcefully. Either ways it's not something that I care about.
 
As I am trying to get my reload done as fast as possibly can, if and when it occurs with a slide locked to the rear, there is significant force being imparted on the gun and given the angle I hold the gun at (to optimize the mag insertion) it just so happens to pretty much be the best angle for auto forwarding to happen, it does in fact usually happen. That said, I do have a back up plan and train for it too. I train to use my weak hand thumb to hit the slide stop/release as I run a flush slide stop/release, instead of the standard one (as I would ride the standard one and not get a slide to lock back) and I can't easily hit the flush one with my strong hand thumb. My goal in a match is for 1.25 or better mag changes. Sub 1 second is really the goal, but I can live with 1 to 1.25, anything slower than that is unacceptable to me. I seldom find the need to hit the release, but it does happen occasionally though, usually during a wobbled reload where the mag bounced in badly and not fast or smoothly.
I get the same results with my P10F, my M&P (god that thing is crap), my Glocks (all 6 of them including the Sim guns), hell even my Desert Eagle will do it if you do it right.
Todd Louis Green was never a fan of the technique either and he and I used to argue about it a lot. I don't advocate for it being what you should depend on, but I do train for it to happen and have a backup plan for when it doesn't. He used to keep his trigger finger on the release on his HK (ambi release) or his thumb on the release on regular guns, so that when the mag seated fully, it jarred the gun up, and that would cause his thumb to hit the release down, essentially doing the same thing as physics did by moving the slide in space and letting springs move things around, but he felt it was more reliable and therefore less likely to get you in trouble in a shooting scenario than the auto forward might.


smally21 said:
Can I ask if you intentionally insert mags forcefully when in competition..not being sarcastic, is this your reloading method? (In the event you shoot to slide-stop that is). It would save considerable time during reloads, is it repeatable enough to count on..or do you find yourself on the release often? Im assuming this is with Czs?

I shoot Shadows of various models and mods and none of them are prone to an autoforward, though I may not be loading mags that forcefully..and I havent had a chance to try since reading your post.
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my gen 1 m and p does it but if I insert alittle less force i can sort of fix it, but it doesnt bother me one bit.
 
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