- Location
- In the clock tower!!
Glad things worked out for him, the new rig is underway. Decided on a Nesika action made to order, will not be BR tolerance, same great construction but tactically functional.
BANG a GONG!!!!!!!
- Thread starter Glock-a-maniac
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Glad things worked out for him, the new rig is underway. Decided on a Nesika action made to order, will not be BR tolerance, same great construction but tactically functional.
Mystic Precision
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Summerland, BC
BC, are they putting in the 'Borden Bumps' or something similar.
A common problem with the solid front locking bolts actions and the need to function in the field. Tight for accuracy but no good for function. Add some slop and no real benefit over a factory action.
The bumps or shims are installed so that during the bolt closing phase, these supports lock the bolt body into the action (solid section behind the mag well). When the bolt is fully closed, there is no play in the bolt vs action raceway to ensure consistent and tight lock up during the firing process.
The bolt is also supported during the dropping of the sear to eliminate bolt bounce. Something BR shooters feel is bad for accuracy.
When the bolt is opened, these supports fall 'out of battery' leaving a loose bolt for easy function.
These tweaks have been quite popular with Rem actions before custom actions became common.
The best example of this I have used is a Parker Hale Midland ie commercialised Mauser/Springfield. The bolt has so much slop and wiggle you wonder if the bolt came from a smaller action. However, at lock up, things go into place quite nicely leaving a fairly accurate tight action.
The P Enfields solved this with helical lugs which 'pulled' the bolt into battery. A surprisingly good solid lock up. At least one custom action maker was working on locking lugs with a similar pattern. Of course, far more complicated to machine then a flat surface.
Let me know how your project works out. Give me a shout on the other stuff.
Jerry
A common problem with the solid front locking bolts actions and the need to function in the field. Tight for accuracy but no good for function. Add some slop and no real benefit over a factory action.
The bumps or shims are installed so that during the bolt closing phase, these supports lock the bolt body into the action (solid section behind the mag well). When the bolt is fully closed, there is no play in the bolt vs action raceway to ensure consistent and tight lock up during the firing process.
The bolt is also supported during the dropping of the sear to eliminate bolt bounce. Something BR shooters feel is bad for accuracy.
When the bolt is opened, these supports fall 'out of battery' leaving a loose bolt for easy function.
These tweaks have been quite popular with Rem actions before custom actions became common.
The best example of this I have used is a Parker Hale Midland ie commercialised Mauser/Springfield. The bolt has so much slop and wiggle you wonder if the bolt came from a smaller action. However, at lock up, things go into place quite nicely leaving a fairly accurate tight action.
The P Enfields solved this with helical lugs which 'pulled' the bolt into battery. A surprisingly good solid lock up. At least one custom action maker was working on locking lugs with a similar pattern. Of course, far more complicated to machine then a flat surface.
Let me know how your project works out. Give me a shout on the other stuff.
Jerry
- Location
- Ft. Mac. Alberta
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Here's something I noticed about the Fort Mac range. If you guys do happen to actually build some nice target stands at longer distances, they won't get beat up by the retards the like the shoot the lights out of the shooting area because obviously they don't realize there's targets further then 200-300yds out. Make sure to bolt everything down though. It's still not beyond them to take a drive to the end of the range for a ram sized paper weight.[/QUOTE]
Although I would like a facility with enough room that we could have permanent butts out to 500 meters, it won't happen, as we are a multi dicipline club, and the berms are used for silhouette shooting also.
That negates any imovable target frames out to 500.
However, when we get the 600 to 1,000 meter range finished, it will have ultimately have a proper butt and target pulling sations .
The only issue would be shooters not being able to use the shorter ranges when the longer ones are being used - with the exception of the 1,000 meter line.
The same fireing line will be used for that.
Cat
Here's something I noticed about the Fort Mac range. If you guys do happen to actually build some nice target stands at longer distances, they won't get beat up by the retards the like the shoot the lights out of the shooting area because obviously they don't realize there's targets further then 200-300yds out. Make sure to bolt everything down though. It's still not beyond them to take a drive to the end of the range for a ram sized paper weight.[/QUOTE]
Although I would like a facility with enough room that we could have permanent butts out to 500 meters, it won't happen, as we are a multi dicipline club, and the berms are used for silhouette shooting also.
That negates any imovable target frames out to 500.
However, when we get the 600 to 1,000 meter range finished, it will have ultimately have a proper butt and target pulling sations .
The only issue would be shooters not being able to use the shorter ranges when the longer ones are being used - with the exception of the 1,000 meter line.
The same fireing line will be used for that.
Cat
- Location
- Downtown Vancouver, BC
Get a bigger res...they're perfectly sized!
- Location
- In the clock tower!!
I think all Nesika actions have "Borden Bumps". Ejection port will be lengthened, non fluted bolt, etc.
Cat, I think with your guy's water table so high having pits would be nice but not really practicle. I'd love to see that type of range go in up there but even having a similar setup to what you have there now with more hanging gongs would really make the 1000yds shooting awesome. There's no question, when you hit a gong at a 1000yds, you can hear it clang. If you have access to grader blades with some way of protecting the chains you wouldn't have to go crazy heavy either which would be awesome. I didn't even scratch the surface of a grader blade gong at 500yds which impressed the hell out of me and it would get easy to put up and keep hanging.
LRC came down from the oil rich north to come shoot and this is how we made out.
The morning was cool which was a switch so we were able to get some good shooting in. We played with the 1000yd gongs first thing making some marks and then the gophers started to come out and the more reactive targets started to get air including an unlucky badger that took one to center mass at 650yds.
From this picture you can see the truck we drove up to it with but in the background the shooting position we left to check on the situation.
The first killing shot was awarded to the man himself Mr. T. a.k.a. 'The Sparrow Killer' I didn't exactly see him moving but over kill is what I do best so I took the second killing shot that had him in the air for a second or two.
After we confirmed the kill, many more gophers found themselves in the crosshairs of the long range boomers. Fun was definitely had by all. We were fortunate to have Brian & Deb come down and join us for the morning shoot.
The morning was cool which was a switch so we were able to get some good shooting in. We played with the 1000yd gongs first thing making some marks and then the gophers started to come out and the more reactive targets started to get air including an unlucky badger that took one to center mass at 650yds.
From this picture you can see the truck we drove up to it with but in the background the shooting position we left to check on the situation.
The first killing shot was awarded to the man himself Mr. T. a.k.a. 'The Sparrow Killer' I didn't exactly see him moving but over kill is what I do best so I took the second killing shot that had him in the air for a second or two.
After we confirmed the kill, many more gophers found themselves in the crosshairs of the long range boomers. Fun was definitely had by all. We were fortunate to have Brian & Deb come down and join us for the morning shoot.
- Location
- Ft. Mac. Alberta
All our gong frames are made of grader bar.
Butts can be be made without pitts, and we are looking at going that way to facilitatee TR shooting.
Gongs don't work well when trying to score a five or ten shot group.
Cat
That makes sense. For competition purposes, you'd need something to put paper on. It looks like the range board is on the right track as far as what they want the range to end up looking like. That's excellent. I'd make the drive to come up for a long range competition once everything comes together.
Mystic Precision
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Summerland, BC
Nice pics Glockamaniac and nice shooting to all.
LRC, did you get a chance to try the 300WM/Amax combo or your BMG?
A great spot with moving targets too. Very nice...
Jerry
LRC, did you get a chance to try the 300WM/Amax combo or your BMG?
A great spot with moving targets too. Very nice...
Jerry
Long Range Canuck
CGN frequent flyer
- Location
- Athabasca Alberta aka God's Country
Jerry the spot is outstanding for LR shooting with many targets of oportunity in the fields, and many wind and mirage challenges. Might even be a great location for an Albertan version of the Summerland shoot
I had the .208gr Amax's out to 1000 meters with hits on gong. Using the same powder load as my 200grn SMK's they travelled at the same come ups 26.25 MOA in eleveation. So with a heavier bullet same powder I must say I'm impressed. We had some wierd wind happening out in that valley in the morning. It seemed to be moving in different dirrections in different areas so made for some interesting shooting. We all seemed to work it out though and It was a great day. It was the wind that made me appreciate the .208 Amax's at that range
Now the down fall of the day's shooting is that when we drove out to recover the gongs and took a look at the impacts 1000 meters out, as much as I love my .300WM it felt like I was shooting a Pellet gun when you see the gong divets at that range, compared to that .338 AI. My rifle left tell tale hits, but the .338 AI actually had some impressive penetration at that range, not to mention 10 MOA less in elevation come ups.....Every time I see those things out in the field it gets me to thinking, and thats a dangerous thing.
As far as the .50 goes I did not get it out that day, but it will be out barking in that area for hunting season!! Extended range Mulies in it's future.
One final note on the Badger, it was on the run when the man took it out at 650yrds. Nice shot indeed.
I will add a few of our pics to the post in a bit.
I had the .208gr Amax's out to 1000 meters with hits on gong. Using the same powder load as my 200grn SMK's they travelled at the same come ups 26.25 MOA in eleveation. So with a heavier bullet same powder I must say I'm impressed. We had some wierd wind happening out in that valley in the morning. It seemed to be moving in different dirrections in different areas so made for some interesting shooting. We all seemed to work it out though and It was a great day. It was the wind that made me appreciate the .208 Amax's at that range
Now the down fall of the day's shooting is that when we drove out to recover the gongs and took a look at the impacts 1000 meters out, as much as I love my .300WM it felt like I was shooting a Pellet gun when you see the gong divets at that range, compared to that .338 AI. My rifle left tell tale hits, but the .338 AI actually had some impressive penetration at that range, not to mention 10 MOA less in elevation come ups.....Every time I see those things out in the field it gets me to thinking, and thats a dangerous thing.
As far as the .50 goes I did not get it out that day, but it will be out barking in that area for hunting season!! Extended range Mulies in it's future.
One final note on the Badger, it was on the run when the man took it out at 650yrds.
Nice shot indeed.I will add a few of our pics to the post in a bit.
- Location
- In the clock tower!!
Nice shooting guys.
Very impressive!
The 338 Lapua Ackely Improved is still my sweatheart round. After the 308 is built, then I "gunnin" for one of those in the safe!
Very impressive!
The 338 Lapua Ackely Improved is still my sweatheart round. After the 308 is built, then I "gunnin" for one of those in the safe!
Long Range Canuck
CGN frequent flyer
- Location
- Athabasca Alberta aka God's Country
Ok here's some pics.
The 3 Amigo's
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Danger Deb scanning the horizon.....it goes on, and on and on.
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Glock doing same.
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Since we were in the neighborhood we decided to see what prehistoric gophers looked like and headed off to the Royal Tyrell musem in Drumheller AB. As you can see in this pic an extinct T-rex is surrounded by the gophers of that time period. Things that make you go Hmmmmm....Eh!! If your in the area you should check that place out. Well worth a side trip.
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The 3 Amigo's
Danger Deb scanning the horizon.....it goes on, and on and on.
Glock doing same.
Since we were in the neighborhood we decided to see what prehistoric gophers looked like and headed off to the Royal Tyrell musem in Drumheller AB. As you can see in this pic an extinct T-rex is surrounded by the gophers of that time period. Things that make you go Hmmmmm....Eh!!
If your in the area you should check that place out. Well worth a side trip.
Long Range Canuck
CGN frequent flyer
- Location
- Athabasca Alberta aka God's Country
Had the oportunity to play and fondle your new .300WM. I figured I would add my own little touch to it and Laser engraved "LRC Fondled my Barrel and pulled my Trigger"
It's a very nice rig!! think your going to be a happy camper!
- Location
- In the clock tower!!
Had the oportunity to play and fondle your new .300WM. I figured I would add my own little touch to it and Laser engraved "LRC Fondled my Barrel and pulled my Trigger"
Thanks! I'm really looking forward to getting my meat hooks into it!
Mystic Precision
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Summerland, BC
LRC, don't feel bad about the impact splats. Just remember that on a deer those AMAX are going to work a whole lot better then the MK's. Pity you never got a chance to try them on a badger.
There is no sub for bullet weight and diameter when you want to impress a gong....or a rock... or whatever gets in your way. Maybe next season I will have time to build a stock for my 338 Mystic and get that thing shooting.
Very happy to hear that you were able to get great performance from those 208's. Waiting for the temps to go down before I start testing them. Will be interesting to see how they compare in my RUM and 220gr MK's.
Right now, the 7 and 6.5 Mystic are doing LR duties. Those 180gr Bergers are very impressive at distance as are the 139gr Lapuas.
That horizon makes one mile look like a chip shot. Anyone know where to get primers for a 20mm?????
BC, your Amax await...
Jerry
There is no sub for bullet weight and diameter when you want to impress a gong....or a rock... or whatever gets in your way. Maybe next season I will have time to build a stock for my 338 Mystic and get that thing shooting.
Very happy to hear that you were able to get great performance from those 208's. Waiting for the temps to go down before I start testing them. Will be interesting to see how they compare in my RUM and 220gr MK's.
Right now, the 7 and 6.5 Mystic are doing LR duties. Those 180gr Bergers are very impressive at distance as are the 139gr Lapuas.
That horizon makes one mile look like a chip shot. Anyone know where to get primers for a 20mm?????
BC, your Amax await...
Jerry
I am interested in a gong design for long range shooting and for rimfire as well.
Thanks.
maple_leaf_eh
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
I remember some discussion on the board about sources for gongs. One suggestion that sticks in my mind was to find a place that makes pipe flanges. The centre of a thick plate gets cut out leaving the ring on the pipe, and the steel is probably very thick compared to the pipe's wall.
As for your field range, I am sure you are hitting the plate every shot. But the slope on the road allowance makes me worry about long low angle ricochets. I have seen long skid marks in the grass where bullets launched themselves uphill after hitting "safe" paper targets. There are steeper slopes just off the road allowance you might want to consider as a bullet stop.
As for your field range, I am sure you are hitting the plate every shot. But the slope on the road allowance makes me worry about long low angle ricochets. I have seen long skid marks in the grass where bullets launched themselves uphill after hitting "safe" paper targets. There are steeper slopes just off the road allowance you might want to consider as a bullet stop.
