BCL 102 Complaints/Whining Thread

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I love it when businesses “fire” their customers. As much as you have a choice on where to spend your hard-earned dollars, a business should have no qualms about telling a disruptive customer/potential customer to hit the road.

Absolutely...but nothing I said was disruptive. I've asked legitimate questions which go unanswered. Whatever, his circus his monkeys. Just stop makîng BS excuses. Frankly BCL is pathetic regarding any form of communication with the customer. Seeing as he (SFRC) is the only connection between the human race and BCL, and I've dropped nearly 2 grand on a product your are selling and basically promoting for BCL, I have the right to ask questions.
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qc issues didn't stop you from buying a mountain hunter at twice the price...... but bcl is the devil, **irony**

Yes it did actually.

The early MH's had a few small issues that were addressed and since all previous run rifles are given free upgrade to the latest specs if you're willing to pay to send it in to them (which I can guarantee BCL will not do for first batch owners), and since I own a fairly new production rifle and have four buddies that also have a newer MH and all are happy with them I'd say I picked the right rifle to buy.
I got the chance to shoot four first run MH's shortly after they started shipping them and noticed the deficiencies, I emailed Rick with my observations and I'm guessing that between what I said to him and some feedback from others he made some corrections, that's what I like to see a manufacturer do with his product. He didn't get mad, didn't get offended that I was pointing out issues, he took it constructively and made the product better. Once I saw that the rifles were performing better I started shopping for one on the EE, found the rifle I wanted for a great price and the rest is history.

My MH is way more than 2x the rifle anything BCL will ever put out so the price is pretty decent if you look at it objectively. The 102 has a crappy barrel, a crappy trigger, sounds like a crappy BCG with all the gas ring failures. By the time you upgrade all that stuff to the level of the parts that come standard in a MH that price difference is pretty much gone and you now have a franken AR-10 with an NEA receiver which means that it's still worth more parting it out than it is as a complete rifle.

The MH runs perfectly if you run quality ammo and maintain it correctly. Don't forget, the MH is not and was never advertised as a NR AR-10 battle rifle, it's a NR precision semi auto that uses the same DI operating system as an AR-10, it was advertised from day one as being a little picky with ammo, ATRS posted right on their website right from the start that they don't recommend running surplus or soft point ammo. How can you blame the rifle or the manufacturer for reliability issues when people ignore the manufacturer? If you want to run cheap ammo buy an M305 not a MH.
Gee, my Corvette runs like crap on regular unleaded, what a piece of sh!t, I'm never buying a Chevrolet again. Ya, sounds reasonable.

If you want to quote tiny snippets of what someone posts and use it out of context then go for it but it means nothing. I stated that I would be interested in buying one but not until they get their sh!t together. Why is that unreasonable?
I love AR-10's and when BCL starts making a consistently good product I'll add one to the collection but I'm not buying a rifle that there's a good chance will need to be sent back just to get it to work and I'm not spending $1750 just to throw away everything other than the receiver set to do a full build so I end up with something reliable. I already have two NR semi auto precision rifles (MH 6.5CM and a custom M305 with Krieger barrel), what I want a 102 for is for general blasting. I don't want to have to replace a bunch of parts to make it reliable, I just want to buy it and shoot it. So when they make them reliable 99% of the time I'll look into buying one but not before then.

If you bought a 102 and you're happy with it then I'm happy for you but if you try to tell me it's as good as a MH for half the price I'll tell you to stop smoking crack.

Read your own sig line, reliability? something NEA is not well known for. Hopefully they can turn that around soon but I haven't seen it yet.
 
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Yes it did actually.

The early MH's had a few small issues that were addressed and since all previous run rifles are given free upgrade to the latest specs if you're willing to pay to send it in to them (which I can guarantee BCL will not do for first batch owners), and since I own a fairly new production rifle and have four buddies that also have a newer MH and all are happy with them I'd say I picked the right rifle to buy.
I got the chance to shoot four first run MH's shortly after they started shipping them and noticed the deficiencies, I emailed Rick with my observations and I'm guessing that between what I said to him and some feedback from others he made some corrections, that's what I like to see a manufacturer do with his product. He didn't get mad, didn't get offended that I was pointing out issues, he took it constructively and made the product better. Once I saw that the rifles were performing better I started shopping for one on the EE, found the rifle I wanted for a great price and the rest is history.

My MH is way more than 2x the rifle anything BCL will ever put out so the price is pretty decent if you look at it objectively. The 102 has a crappy barrel, a crappy trigger, sounds like a crappy BCG with all the gas ring failures. By the time you upgrade all that stuff to the level of the parts that come standard in a MH that price difference is pretty much gone and you now have a franken AR-10 with an NEA receiver which means that it's still worth more parting it out than it is as a complete rifle.

The MH runs perfectly if you run quality ammo and maintain it correctly. Don't forget, the MH is not and was never advertised as a NR AR-10 battle rifle, it's a NR precision semi auto that uses the same DI operating system as an AR-10, it was advertised from day one as being a little picky with ammo, ATRS posted right on their website right from the start that they don't recommend running surplus or soft point ammo. How can you blame the rifle or the manufacturer for reliability issues when people ignore the manufacturer? If you want to run cheap ammo buy an M305 not a MH.
Gee, my Corvette runs like crap on regular unleaded, what a piece of sh!t, I'm never buying a Chevrolet again. Ya, sounds reasonable.

If you want to quote tiny snippets of what someone posts and use it out of context then go for it but it means nothing. I stated that I would be interested in buying one but not until they get their sh!t together. Why is that unreasonable?
I love AR-10's and when BCL starts making a consistently good product I'll add one to the collection but I'm not buying a rifle that there's a good chance will need to be sent back just to get it to work and I'm not spending $1750 just to throw away everything other than the receiver set to do a full build so I end up with something reliable. I already have two NR semi auto precision rifles (MH 6.5CM and a custom M305 with Krieger barrel), what I want a 102 for is for general blasting. I don't want to have to replace a bunch of parts to make it reliable, I just want to buy it and shoot it. So when they make them reliable 99% of the time I'll look into buying one but not before then.

If you bought a 102 and you're happy with it then I'm happy for you but if you try to tell me it's as good as a MH for half the price I'll tell you to stop smoking crack.

Read your own sig line, reliability? something NEA is not well known for. Hopefully they can turn that around soon but I haven't seen it yet.

This is about my take on it too. I would like a BCL, and will get one at somepoint, but not before they can get their issues sorted. I would like to purchase a reciever set, that way there is less for me to be critical about and less for them to focus on getting right for the short term, but that seems to be a ways off. So hopefully they can just start getting the complete rifles fully operational.
 
Seems like BCL modified the upper to improve fit with their handguard without inhibiting the use of 3rd party handguards!
this makes perfecr sense!

Since this is a #####ing and whining thread, it all depends on which HG you intend on using....The one I was intending on using will not work with this "up grade".
 
Seems like BCL modified the upper to improve fit with their handguard without inhibiting the use of 3rd party handguards!
this makes perfecr sense!

Won't know for sure until they hit the consumers hands, hard to tell from a pic and their communication has been less than stellar. I hope Ryan is right though.
 
Won't know for sure until they hit the consumers hands, hard to tell from a pic and their communication has been less than stellar. I hope Ryan is right though.

It will still "inhibit" a bit. There is a gap between the flange and handguard with the Samson picture he sent. Not a big deal - at least you don't have gap at the rail to muck with but to make an aftermarket handguard flush to the flange, you will need to make a relief in the handguard.

https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=132960&d=1511800462
 
Buy pre order rifle because good price

Get told to wait for rifle before changing parts

Buy $3000 worth of parts because not good enough

Find out part won't fit

Cry

Stamp feet

##### on the internet...


Edit: let me know when one of you want to sell at a huge discount :)
 
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Get told to wait for rifle before changing barrels BTW ! witch most of us did.

Buy buying good parts I dont have to sell them at a discount unlike the NEA parts I will pull off...

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Buy pre order rifle because good price

Get told to wait for rifle before changing parts

Buy $3000 worth of parts because not good enough

Find out part won't fit

Cry

Stamp feet

##### on the internet...


Edit: let me know when one of you want to sell at a huge discount :)

You forgot to add that some of the biggest whiners haven't even ordered one.......simply whiners and trolls
 
Well it is a thread dedicated for whining, fanboys need to go praise the BLC gods in the other threads.

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Not a fanboy, just gonna wait till I have trigger time behind mine to decide if I endorse it to friends and family. For now it is what is....a gamble, as all preorders appear to be. (See bent t81s)

Not gonna sit here and bash anyone who hasn't spent $5000+ on another NR 308 calibre black rifle. Life isn't a race to see who can get the most posts on CGN by commenting on every little thing and having an "entitled opinion " on all things gun related.
 
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