BCL Siberian 1000 round range session - awful results

Meatlover

Please explain in detail the 2 x warranty repairs on the rifle as mentioned by you and others a few times.

Also share the corresponding communication with BCL.

I am missing something here. I also read many comments from owners who shot many thousand rounds through their Siberian. They do not match your experience.

I scouted the negative comments from youtube users and also on this forum and reddit, almost all of them are second hand.
 
scianna54 said:
Meatlover

Please explain in detail the 2 x warranty repairs on the rifle as mentioned by you and others a few times.

Also share the corresponding communication with BCL.

I am missing something here. I also read many comments from owners who shot many thousand rounds through their Siberian. They do not match your experience.

I scouted the negative comments from youtube users and also on this forum and reddit, almost all of them are second hand.
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All of that will be included in CFETs report on the rifle. My guess is the report will be out in the next month or so.
 
gun appears to have been broken. adriel was able to ascertain as much within 5 seconds of opening up the rifle. check minute 13:30 of the following:

https://youtu.be/SVo82HA8JHo?si=UmTHHmrnOEfwtUpn

to understand how the wear discovered can happen, and how it can impact performance, check 5:10 of the following:

https://youtu.be/UvBGwwZR1DE?si=VcvBu2wIcelXdJih

while i think the siberian doesn't have a standard 180-style bolt catch, presume the failure and results are the same.
 
scianna54 said:
Meatlover

Please explain in detail the 2 x warranty repairs on the rifle as mentioned by you and others a few times.

Also share the corresponding communication with BCL.

I am missing something here. I also read many comments from owners who shot many thousand rounds through their Siberian. They do not match your experience.

I scouted the negative comments from youtube users and also on this forum and reddit, almost all of them are second hand.
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Why does this peckerwood show up and ruin every thread? Ban him already
 
Thread review: 7 out of 10 bananas

Finally made it through this thread. What a dumpster fire of back and forth opinions all around... but that's often the entertainment I come here for. :popCorn:

Summarizing tn the defensive side:
  • "You didn't use the right ammo"
  • "You didn't use the right oil"
  • "If it was actually brand new it wouldn't have had these issues"
  • "You should have fixed it after the first failure"
  • "You didn't use the right mags"
  • "You didn't test it right"
  • "I don't like the way they dress"
  • "I don't like their humor"

On the critical side:
  • "BCL is NEA and will always be junk"
  • "I don't own one but I heard it was bad"
  • "I don't care if yours worked, this one didn't"
  • "Don't buy "cope" guns"
  • "You like it a lot? Shill."
  • "If you don't hit high round counts, your experience doesn't count"

tiraq had much more of what the thread should have - objective problem solving, and solution-finding.

My 2 cents:
  1. If you like rifles that are finicky with how you operate it or what ammo you use, that's fine. It's yours. Who cares if others aren't satisfied with that? Them hating it shouldn't lower your self-esteem or the value of your rifle.
  2. So you hate it, and want a rifle as reliable as an SKS or Type 81: that's legit too. No need to rile up people who are happy with their Siberians though.
  3. Supporting Canadian manufacturers is good. Holding them to a high standard and pushing them to raise their quality with each new product is even better. No one gets it perfect the first time.
  4. Destructive testing is legitimate. I work in product development in the medical field and I test products in every single way that someone can potentially use it wrong.
  5. If the test showed it didn't work, blaming the test as bad data is a poor excuse. "My rifle is flawless! But you have to shoot it exaaaaaactly this way."
  6. Over-insertion seems to be a consistent issue that is in the fundamental design. If you like your Siberian, change your manual of arms. If you don't like it, sell it. Push BCL to improve the design for the next batch. Done.
  7. I like the look of the rifle, but I'm risk averse and won't gamble on getting a good vs bad batch, so I'm going to pass on getting one for myself. But getting a rifle for how it looks is okay. We've all done that.
  8. I know 4 guys at my range that have Siberians. 3 of them are happy with theirs, but haven't gone over 1000 rounds. The other one sold hers for a WK181 Gen 2 and is much happier.

Edit: Re-read my own review and realized I sound like a couples therapist. It is what it is - I'm looking forward to hearing why I'm wrong about everything! :cool: :popCorn:
 
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The magazine is critical to the functioning of an autoloading firearm. Cartridges must be presented in a consistent manner. Magazines must be sound, in fine condition and entirely compatible with the firearm. Magazines do not last forever; they are subject to damage, do wear and are essentially a consumable accessory. Many shooters number their magazines, so that problem ones can be identified and culled.
Over insertion can cause a variety of problems. The magazine can foul the bolt and/or bolt carrier. Drag on opening can affect extraction and/or ejection. Drag on closing can result in the bolt failing to go into battery, which can cause misfires, light strikes. The action may hang up and barely begin to close.
Over insertion can be minimized if the magazine is always inserted with the breech closed - but that it a stop gap measure, particularly when a firearm has a lock open when empty feature.
Even a gun as primitive as a Sten has positive stops to prevent over insertion.
 
All manufacturing has QC issues. One may think that overtime things improve but
the reverse is often true. I'd rather have 1985 Dodge slant six pickup than some of the trucks offered today. Craftsman in a trade today making quality products is rare, is it not?
 
and tavors don't like pmags. and brens don't like aftermarket ak mags. and g36 mags are proprietary. even the big boys have mag issues.

as per my previous post (ie, as identified in a review of 'that' rifle by a different reviewer) it appears the bolt catch was bent/broken and rubbing on the bolt carrier. this in itself will induce misfires (the drag, similar to to an oily sludge, will impede the action). but if the siberian is anything like my older 180 then the bolt catch also presses down on the back of the magazine to ensure proper positioning. bend the bolt catch in a 180 and mags stop working properly.

i get destructive testing, but that is predicated on (a) testers understanding what they are testing, and (b) once you broke it don't keep testing it.
 
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