Beretta PX4 Storm used by police?

At least Corrections Canada got it right. Funny how when you have to buy 5000 pistols the cheaper one wins out but when you have to buy 500 the more expensive one will do:)
CBSA has a tendency to buy something and then make it fit the purpose instead of spending a little more for the right piece of equipment. I am still amazed that CBSA seems to be the PX4's biggest customer?
 
The PX4's have some major issues still... plastic feed ramp is one. Plastic takedown lever is another. I know that at least one slide has flown off a PX4 during a practice session due to the takedown lever breaking.

I think these guns will be a total debacle, but no one will ever officially admit it. I can't see them holding up to thousands and thousands of rounds.
 
I don't think they ever expect a thousand rounds through them, hence all the plastic.


This reminds of the first few times I saw people posting a "Beretta Nine-Two" on the forums... I couldn't help but feel like someone was trying to be gangster... Then later learned that the "Ninety-Two" and 92FS are not quite the same. WTH... :rolleyes:
 
rommelrommel said:
I'm pretty sure it was the Sig 2022.

Some of the early early M&P's had a problem with dropping mags when dropped, and unfortunately CBSA got early M&P's to test.

I think it came down to two things:

Beretta offered them to the feds cheap as hell.

It had the longest, uglyist trigger possible.
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Well, the feds do seem to like their trigger pulls long and hard..... :D
 
My source states that the primary factor was grip size.
There was also a time sensitive issue. The "Lieberals" were threatening to try and de-rail the arming of CBSA. A choice had to be made very fast. It was between S&W and the PX4.
I'm no fan of the PX4 but I'm glad they didn't pick the S&W (Although the M&P isn't that bad of a gun).
The real tragedy is that they never went with Sig Sauer. Walk accross the border and you find officers of similar gender and size. They seem to be coping with the size of the Sig Sauer grips without a problem. The DHS testing of pistols is the most expensive and comprehensive testing of handguns since the US Forces test in the mid 80's. Only two guns completed the test; Sig Sauer and HK. They were jointly awarded the contract. CBSA should have taken advantage of this expensive testing and made it simple and picked the same gun (s). But they had to try and do their own thing.

Now I've said it before and it may come as a shock to the Glock and CZ fans out there;
those guns could not pass the testing. All brands fell apart and could not complete the rigorous tests except for Sig Sauer and HK. Part of the testing was to shoot the guns to destruction. I love Glocks and still own one, I also like CZ's but they are not as good as Sig and HK. Sorry to burst your bubbles. I have test results but the documents cannot be released to non-LE, sorry. I remember starting to shoot IPSC about 19 years ago and CZ's were going great back then, until they fell apart. Now they're back in IPSC and everyone thinks they are the cat's axx. Whatever, I won 3 Provincial titles with a stock HK (before production class days) and one with a Sig (production). The berettas in IPSC a few years ago didn't last that long either. Maybe the PX4 will be better.

It's not that bad of a gun and I'm happy CBSA is armed now, helps keep the guys safe. I just think they could have done a little better.

Rich
 
The PX4 is a nice gun... I've put a few thousand through it and not had any issues. I think it is the right choice for CBSA. I also have an M&P.. I love it too. lol.. I used to have a CX4 and the only reason I got rid of it was because it was TOO accurate, and boring in 9mm. Now CBSA should get auto CX4's too because the mags are interchangeable and it would offer a much higher level of available firepower. I just don't see it happening in the next little while though. lol
 
I would really be interested to know what section of testing eliminated the P30L but not the PX4. I don't have a lot of experience with either gun, but the PX4 feels (and shoots) like a toy compared to the HK.
 
A truly stupid comment

shootemup said:
How police departments were using a gun that could have the slide lifted off it with one hand by a crook who is gun smart and quick is beyond me...
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Let me guess, you've been watching Lethal Weapon 4 again? Have you ever actually tried to pull the slide off a live Beretta before the handler manages to pull the trigger? It looks good on film, but is just about impossible in practice.

Hmm. . . I wonder how many "I know a guy who. . . " or "I've done it!" responses that little blurb will stir up? To all of them I say, I'll wager the cost of a new PX4 that it cannot be done!!! Any takers?
 
Harrier .45 said:
Let me guess, you've been watching Lethal Weapon 4 again? Have you ever actually tried to pull the slide off a live Beretta before the handler manages to pull the trigger? It looks good on film, but is just about impossible in practice.

Hmm. . . I wonder how many "I know a guy who. . . " or "I've done it!" responses that little blurb will stir up? To all of them I say, I'll wager the cost of a new PX4 that it cannot be done!!! Any takers?
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I don't care what kind of gun it is. If someone is pointing a live gun at you, my money is on the guy with the gun every single time. Maybe one time in a thousand the gun will FTF and you will win. Who wants to bet their life on odds like those?
 
if you watch carefully you'll see the takedown lever is already in the down position in the Lethal Weapon movie, before Li even goes for the gun.

as to why the PX4 got the contract? it won, that's why. results of the other guns cannot be released due to contract terms.
having had a chance to shoot all of the guns involved in the test (not the actual ones obviously), I'd still go with the M&P. the HK pistol is horrid, seriously, horrid, the PX4 is marginally better.
 
If i'm not mistaken the tests included the px4, m&p, an hk and a walther. as mentioned by kxc, the tender specs were very specific and not very many manufacturers could meet them. scuttle butt is that beretta was already in production prior to the contract being awarded, confidence? take it for what you will and add salt if desired.
 
macodad said:
If i'm not mistaken the tests included the px4, m&p, an hk and a walther. as mentioned by kxc, the tender specs were very specific and not very many manufacturers could meet them. scuttle butt is that beretta was already in production prior to the contract being awarded, confidence? take it for what you will and add salt if desired.
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Never heard Walther before. I think it was a Sig 2022.
 
macodad said:
If i'm not mistaken the tests included the px4, m&p, an hk and a walther. as mentioned by kxc, the tender specs were very specific and not very many manufacturers could meet them. scuttle butt is that beretta was already in production prior to the contract being awarded, confidence? take it for what you will and add salt if desired.
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The rumour I heard had the contract awarded to Smith & Wesson. The drop test failure was unexpected. The 5000 M&Ps were to serve as a field test for the RCMP switching to the M&P a few years later.

What model H&K was tested? P2000? I have a H&K .45 and love it...except for the mag release, that should be in a better place.
 
The rumour about the RCMP could make sense if you consider that the tender also called for 9mm only. Most police forces in North America seem to have switched to at least .40.
I have also heard that the PX4's are not living up to expectations and another pistol is being considered as a replacement although not for a few years at least. There was also some talk that the Sig P239 was being evaluated now, as even with the smallest grip insert the PX4 was still too big for some officers.
 
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