Zorak said:Oh...I don't know about that...for a while I worked with these weapons and worked with NATO soldiers from around the world. The common definition we had of a battle rifle had to to with the length, girth and purpose of the weapon.
It seems to me if we go by calibre than the CAR, FN MiniMI machine gun, and M16 could all be classified at the same thing. So I am not misunderstood, rifles are typically classified by length and action, not calibre.
An SLR / Battle rifle is typically longer with less ammo, heavier, and the emphasis is on aimed shots, marksmanship, longer ranges, and pentration. Many, like the early FNs were only select fire after special modification requiring a tool (typically a bayonet).
Assault rifles are shorter, typically select fire, often with more ammo and smaller calibres. The emphasis shifts to bursts, firepower, and rounds down. These weapons are often used to supplement the killing power of MGs in the field.
Carbines are the shortest of all rifles, many of which shoot small rifle or pistol calibre. A CAR would be an example of this. Typically they are best applied to short range, high firepower applications such as con space, fibua, spec apps, or overland foot recce.
There are bolt, lever, slide action, and semi auto rifles that fire pistol calibres. There are machine guns that fire deer hunting (7.62 / .308) calibres and machine guns that fire varminting (5.56 / .223) calibres. There are pistols that fire rifle calibres. There are rifles that fire grenades, and there are shotguns that fire slugs.
These categories are not rigid, there is a lot of blending. For example, a M14 with a barrel chop and sage stock has really become a carbine. As a gas gun, it's more like a SLR in its internals, but externally, it meets all the criteria of a carbine. It calibre of course remains the same. As such, firearms are not defined by calibre, but by structure, function, and purpose.
mercuryv8 said:Well said and interesting!
Mauser 98 has come up a couple of times, maybe not modern but has definetly set a high level of functioning for weapons to folow. The Mauser 98 is a well built battle rifle.
Nic
Zorak said:Oh...I don't know about that...for a while I worked with these weapons and worked with NATO soldiers from around the world. The common definition we had of a battle rifle had to to with the length, girth and purpose of the weapon.
It seems to me if we go by calibre than the CAR, FN MiniMI machine gun, and M16 could all be classified at the same thing. So I am not misunderstood, rifles are typically classified by length and action, not calibre.
An SLR / Battle rifle is typically longer with less ammo, heavier, and the emphasis is on aimed shots, marksmanship, longer ranges, and pentration. Many, like the early FNs were only select fire after special modification requiring a tool (typically a bayonet).
Assault rifles are shorter, typically select fire, often with more ammo and smaller calibres. The emphasis shifts to bursts, firepower, and rounds down. These weapons are often used to supplement the killing power of MGs in the field.
Carbines are the shortest of all rifles, many of which shoot small rifle or pistol calibre. A CAR would be an example of this. Typically they are best applied to short range, high firepower applications such as con space, fibua, spec apps, or overland foot recce.
There are bolt, lever, slide action, and semi auto rifles that fire pistol calibres. There are machine guns that fire deer hunting (7.62 / .308) calibres and machine guns that fire varminting (5.56 / .223) calibres. There are pistols that fire rifle calibres. There are rifles that fire grenades, and there are shotguns that fire slugs.
These categories are not rigid, there is a lot of blending. For example, a M14 with a barrel chop and sage stock has really become a carbine. As a gas gun, it's more like a SLR in its internals, but externally, it meets all the criteria of a carbine. It calibre of course remains the same. As such, firearms are not defined by calibre, but by structure, function, and purpose.
stormbringer said:If you disagree with this then you need to take it up with the Germans who developed the idea and gave the name.
Really so what calibers do the G3's come in let's seeZorak said:My 2 cents says the G3 is a compromise between a BR and AR as it it comes in various sized and calibres, and the internals are more like and AR than a SLR.
Savage said:Really so what calibers do the G3's come in let's see
G3/G3A1 762x51
G33/G33A1 556x45 note these G33 firearms use different recievers and trigger housing .The internals are no where like the AR maybe you have it wrong as the G3 was out before the AR ie CEMTE
Zorak said:There is no way an M16 recieve or internals could handle a 7.62 round.
Battle rifles typically use larger rounds. But there have been many assault rifles such as the AR 10, Bushmaster, etc. that use a .308. .
Beater said:whats wrong with you guys.....we all know its the #4 longbranch.....
Cocked&Locked said:Hint#1, the AR-10 is a battle rifle. Hint#2 Take an AR-10 apart sometime and tell me what the differences in construction between it and an AR 15/M-16 are other then scale.
If the AR can take the pounding .50 Beowolf dishes out (and they do well enough that the US coast gaurd uses them to smash drug runners engines) then it can deal with anything it will get from .308.