Best Milsurp rifle for SHTF

Indeed , I got to know a very interesting guy while in Cambodia a few years back . He lived through a total social , economic and moral breakdown of his society . He hid in the jungle and ate lizards and roots for three years until the Kymer Rouge finally got taken out , through out it all he had a pocket knife , no rifle . Like I said earlier , the best way to survive a fire fight , is to not get into one in the first place , hide with pride . Most would be better served with a good 22lr and a good supply of ammo . It'll kill things to eat and won't attract as much attention , just sayin .
 
mr.e moose said:
One major coronal mass ejection from the sun and the world will go into meltdown. With no electricity Cell phones and I-pads will not work, no low fat frappe lattes at Starbucks.

Three months and most will be out of food and the only ones that have a chance to survive are people that know how to hunt, fish, and are familiar with edible roots and vegetables.

Third world countries will do much better than the 1rst world countries because they do not rely on refrigeration and are more reliant on living of the land.

All the PETA chicks will perish because they have no idea how to salt cure or smoke meat and were out protesting instead of planting lentils.

Any rifle that you have ammo for would be the best SHTF rifle.
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DILLIGAF said:
It doesn't matter what you have, If you never spent a day actually training or even practicing living off the grid. You will be in a world of hurt when SHTF... lol...
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Riley1981 said:
I see this thread and see every pal holder who's first gun was a Russian surplus gun think it the greatest thing since sliced bread as argue there is so much ammo around.. But don't realize that if this kind of situation arose they would be dead anyways.. Bringing an sks or mosin to a gun fight is like taking your dollarama knife to a knife fight, yeas its sharp and cheap and does knife things but doest do them well..
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Don't agree with this at all. I own quite a few firearms from the cheap SKS up to much much more expensive ones. I would trust the SKS ahead of most of my other firearms in a SHTF situation. Do I have more accurate firearms, absolutely. Do I have better looking, absolutely. Do I have better single purpose firearms, absolutely. Do I have a more reliable, no. Do I have a more versatile firearm, no. The SKS is heavy and somewhat crude but it is built tough and has been flawlessly reliable with misurp ammo. Very easy to strip and clean. With basic maintenance will work in pretty much any conditions. If I really had a SHTF situation my go to's would be the SKS and my Sig 226 and one of my good knives. Remember in SHTF you are not engaged in a pitched battle with artillery, fully automatic suppressive fire etc. You are talking about putting food on the table and basic defense. The AR series work well in a military environment but I still think over all the SKS is better suited to SHTF. If I was going to war definitely the M4 over the SKS but its advantages mean less in a SHTF. There also a lot of truth to the 22 and hide philosophy but sometimes hiding is not an option.
 
SKS is also an anagram of SKS, by coincidence (or is it?). The other thing is that in most SHTF scenarios, anybody walking around with a rifle is likely to be shot on sight. Perhaps a brown rifle less so than a black one, if you'll excuse the colour prejudice.
 
Juster said:
SKS is also an anagram of SKS, by coincidence (or is it?). The other thing is that in most SHTF scenarios, anybody walking around with a rifle is likely to be shot on sight. Perhaps a brown rifle less so than a black one, if you'll excuse the colour prejudice.
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If visibly possessing a rifle is the problem, i doubt colour would matter. Perhaps something a little more concealable would be in order, like a mares leg if you like old school, or maybe a short barreled AR PDW? Either might be a stretch to call a MILSURP, but both draw their lineage from military actions.
 
Cameron SS said:
If visibly possessing a rifle is the problem, i doubt colour would matter. Perhaps something a little more concealable would be in order, like a mares leg
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You are probably right.
When I was a young thing in the UK, you had to remember to walk around the L42A1s on the pavement, resisting the temptation to step over them. Running around with an AR would have been frowned upon. And the fan can get a fair bit ####ier.
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If you need to equip a small army (your neighbourhood), SKS...
For you alone, cz858 because it's easier to clean and dissasemble than an sks and more accurate on rapid fire... plus you have the opportunity to unpined your 5/30 mag to 30/30 mag, in a SHTF scenario of course...

You need a sniper ? Mosin nagant...

Shotgun : remington 870 marine magnum or 887 nitro mag (because it take 2 3/4 to 3 1/2)
 
Israeli K98k. 7.62 NATO. Would be a good choice for bolt gun. Ammo in every store (308win) yes you can shoot it in a 7.62NATO chambered rifle and a proven design. And they all seem to have good bores and shoot straight, at least the ones I encountered over the last 30 years
 
Interesting topic and some good responses.

My choice first choice for a Milsurp SHTF rifle would be my FN49 in 8mm Mauser - it's rugged, accurate, soft shooting, reliable and shoots a full power round. Not much in NA that an 8mm cannot handle but the downside of carrying it would be the weight and limited ammo & spares availability. I thought about using the one in 30-06 but I find that recoil of the 8mm more of a mild "push" when compared to the sharp "snap" of the 30-06.

My second choice would be my k98 in 8mm Mauser or the Israeli k98 conversion in .308 - light, handy and accurate. Will keep it classy with irons and a bandolier.

It's fun to brainstorm scenarios, but actual selection would probably be dictated by the circumstances. In a SHTF scenario, the last thing I would want to carry is something big and shiny that would instantly make you stand out and get noticed. My plan woudl be to stay out of sight, live off the grid and away from population centres and avoid conflict.
 
My thoughts are that if we're invaded that it would be wise to have a firearm chambered in the enemies round so you can pck up ammo from their corpses.

My SHTF list

.22
sks
6.5x55
12g
 
j_06 said:
I would totally over analyze a silly question, or take a cz 858. Cant operate operationally with an itty bitty titty 10 round non removable clipazine, thats un operator as fck. Besides, its a well known fact that wielding an sks is the first step to catching the ###.
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new said:
My thoughts are that if we're invaded that it would be wise to have a firearm chambered in the enemies round so you can pck up ammo from their corpses.

My SHTF list

.22
sks
6.5x55
12g
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None of those would help if we were invaded. Really, only 3 nations might invade Canada, and only 1 is likely to (just not in the foreseeable future).

1. Russia: This is the one people think about when they imagine Canada getting invaded. But it isn't likely at all to ever happen. They'd only invade as a side-note to invading the US, and that isn't a ground war they want to get into. They'd be far more likely to just nuke North America into a giant sheet of radioactive glass, if it ever came down to a pissing match between the US and Russia. And they've mostly retired 7.62x39 at this point, except for second line and home guard militia types. Their frontline troops have been using 5.45x39 since the 80's.

2. China: The great human wave sweeping across the land. Except they'd have to cross an ocean to do it. They don't have the navy to pull off an overseas invasion. And they don't have the logistics supply chain structure to support it even if they did. We'd have a decade or so of prep time while we watched them build up the necessary ships and logistics to even make an attempt. And they're currently standardized on the 5.8x42 for the QBZ-95 (the military version of the Type-97 we see here), although they still have a LOT of Type 81's (7.62x39) in frontline service, they are moving away from it.

3. The US: People are going to ask me to pull out my tinfoil hat here, but bear with me a sec. Of the 3, in the long haul, the US is BY FAR the most likely to invade Canada. Not anytime soon, but it's very conceivable, in the future, and not for the reason most people think. It isn't Oil. It's all about Water. Even without climate change, Canada already exports massive amounts of fresh water through pipelines to the US, largely to California to support their agricultural. As the US population continues to grow, as does intensive agriculture requiring more and more water, this export is set to increase over time. It is very conceivable where they start asking for more than we're able/willing to send. Add in climate change, and it becomes very conceivable that the pressure to invade in order to secure access to fresh water would become intense. The US is standardized on 5.56 currently, and that isn't changing anytime soon. However, with the time scales we're talking about (50-70 years down the road), counting on them still being standardized on that round is a muggins game.
 
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