best nr black rifle?
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Ar180shooter
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You can effectively take a red dot out past 200 if you wish, but it is far less effective than a 1-4x scope at those distances.
as some one who has consistently shot sub moa groups at 100 yards while testing red dots I agree you can take a red dot out to 200 yards or farther. to be honest it's really not the intended purpose of the sight. they are really best suited for fast acquisition under 100 yards, there are much better options for longer distances, which is why the 1-4's are made. my statement may have been a little abrupt
Have a read of the link below. It clearly illustrates that all rounds will exit your home but it indicates that rifle rounds become unstable much sooner. It also demonstrates that hollow point ammo doesn't always work as advertised. Keep in mind the ammo used for the rifle portion was 55gr FMJ.
http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot1.htm
TDC
ETA: Here's another wall test that's worth a read. The whole site is worth a read in my opinion.
http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot14_4.htm
I agree fully, but the real question here is what level of performance one deems as "effective". That alone will determine if any sighting system is up to the task.
TDC
Anyone in the Edmonton area with a Tavor want to go shooting? I need to know for myself. I've owned or at least shot most of the other non restricted rifles we have access to in Canada but I've never even held a Tavor.
I'll let you shoot my Swiss and both my PWS AR's (one in 223 and one is 300BLK) in trade.
I'll let you shoot my Swiss and both my PWS AR's (one in 223 and one is 300BLK) in trade.
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Next time I have to drive up North cr5?
I'd be curious to spend a little time with 300blk
I'd be curious to spend a little time with 300blk
Sounds good.
Just PM me with a little notice so I can make sure I have some cartridges loaded. I don't go to the range on weekends so I hope you can get away midweek when I'm on days off (I work shiftwork).
What range are you a member at?
I go to Genesee and can bring guests.
I only shoot weekdays though to avoid the crowds.
I'll be at the range Friday but already have my 2 guest limit filled. If I make it there Thursday I'll ask if I can sneak an extra in with me.
I've shot an M before and liked it. If you bring it I'll bring out my RFB as well.
May as well bring out the DTA SRS as well
I better pick up some more factory ammo or whip up a few old faithful loads for it so I have something for guests to shoot. I'm still doing load development for it with 300gr Berger Hybrids.To my way of thinking, the 550 is better suited to a 1-4 or 1-6 optic than a red dot. Granted, that forces you to use a cheek riser of some sort, whereas a T1 etc can be dropped straight on to the rail.
But while red dots can be used to pretty surprising distances, IMO they're best under 200m, and optimal under 100m. If I were primarily shooting at those distances, I would rather have a shorter, lighter gun than a 550.
But for a general purpose rifle, I think a SAN classic etc with a 1-4 or 1-6 is a pretty great combo.
But while red dots can be used to pretty surprising distances, IMO they're best under 200m, and optimal under 100m. If I were primarily shooting at those distances, I would rather have a shorter, lighter gun than a 550.
But for a general purpose rifle, I think a SAN classic etc with a 1-4 or 1-6 is a pretty great combo.
Good luck getting spare parts or mags for the swiss.
Xcr parts are common and cheap.
Plus I like to be able to switch between 762 to 223 is awesome.
If its a gov agency parts is not a problem, most civilians shoot barely enough to break a norc let alone a swiss.
I've bought 9 5/30 mags for mine in the last 3 weeks. How do you figure they are hard to find?
Calgary shooting center had a nice big box of them last time I was there plus a bunch of parts and accessories.
If you had ever had a Swiss apart you would understand when people say you won't need parts. Design is similar to an AK but machining is Swiss watch accurate.
I sold my SKS because I got tired of 7.62x39. Is non corrosive 7.62 much cheaper than bulk 233? I personally wouldn't shoot corrosive through my $2000+ rifle.
Nothing wrong with an XCR, I've shot quite a few of them and I like them but they are no Swiss Arms.
Yeah, and Robinson Armament have no history of suddenly shutting down production or factory support for their guns, plus they're a huge company with lots of police and military contracts ensuring steady production for decades to come.
Wait, did I say Robinson Armament? No, the other one. SIG/SAN.
For factory support and infrastructure, SIG over RA, obviously.
This one has been awesome. Once I got used to the ergonomics, I fell in love with it. Accurate, reliable (I haven't cleaned it in a few years, just to see what it's capable of, and it's still running without a hiccup), and reasonably lightweight. I don't think there's a 'best' gun, but Tavor's are pretty sweet.
