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Yes, a "simplified" classification system... like California's... Careful what you wish for...

No, I mean a simplified classification, such as the Conservatives were intending on implementing. Where firearms over "X" in length are non-restricted, and firearms under "X" length are restricted. None of this if it shoots to fast, or might be able to be converted to FA, or was possibly maybe created using parts from a FA, ect., equals prohibited nonsense. It may not be as good as it should be for systems, but it's a heck of a lot better than this subjective RCMP bureaucracy decides everything crap, and a step in the right direction. I just want it to include prior prohibitions in it's simplified classification, which a re-banning of what the Cons already said was okay has a chance to trigger.

A ban never works in our favour. Period.

I would say you are wrong. Banning of the SA and 858s opened a lot of people's eyes outside of the firearms community to the stupidity of the classification system we are under. Functionally, those guns should be NR, but because the way the law is written that is not the case, and the RCMP refuses to give anything the benefit of the doubt. It also got people off their butts to go do something about it.

Also. Wrongly prohibiting the 10/22 mags greater than 10 goes to show the big shots don't care who or what or how many people gets caught up in their anti-gun schemes. Instantly turning hundreds of thousands of people into criminals with a highly questionable biased decision gives us a leg to stand on while talking to the uninformed. It also shows the fudds that they are not untouchable.
 
I would say you are wrong. Banning of the SA and 858s opened a lot of people's eyes outside of the firearms community to the stupidity of the classification system we are under.
You are dreaming if you think that anyone outside the firearms community has been following the SA and 858 ban issue. Go ask 100 people who don't own guns what an SG 550 or CZ 858 is and I guarantee that you will get a blank stare from 98 or 99 of them. The remaining 1 or 2 might recognize what you're talking about from playing Call of Duty. Zero will know about the ban. Outside of the firearms community, the issue is not known, not discussed and not given two sh*ts about.
 
You are dreaming if you think that anyone outside the firearms community has been following the SA and 858 ban issue. Go ask 100 people who don't own guns what an SG 550 or CZ 858 is and I guarantee that you will get a blank stare from 98 or 99 of them. The remaining 1 or 2 might recognize what you're talking about from playing Call of Duty. Zero will know about the ban. Outside of the firearms community, the issue is not known, not discussed and not given two sh*ts about.

actually no youre wrong

a good dozen people who know nothing about firearms but know that I do, approached me during the ban to ask what I thought about the whole situation.

A lot of news channels picked up the story
 
The so-called "Simplified Classification System" merely perpetuates the classification stupidity.

Dumb beyond belief, and I hope the CPC drops that idea in favour of actual, substantial reforms.
 
CZ designed vz58 and made it for military, then, using existing parts, made semis for civ market. They no longer make it.

CSA vz58 is exact copy with new parts, semi receiver and plastic furniture vs beaver wood. It is actually lighter. I had both. There is no difference, besides welding spot in the CZ where select fire group is supposed to be. I kept CSA and sold CZ.

It is a 2 MOA rifle with Barnaul and norinco ammo. Going on 2K and zero malfunctions. If I had to keep one that would be it. My second choice would be Tavor and only because it's a ##### to clean. SAN is too heavy, may be I need to get some upper body strength.

P.s. There was another US importer of parts kits, century Arms I think, those rifles give vz a bad name.

i never found it to be that accurate.... especialy with cheap surplus.

the VZ is not the same... they have had a lot of QC issues... lots of broken firing pins, broken strikers, the hardware might be lighter but its pretty easy to break...

the requirement for bolt mods ortriger mods to fix a gremlin doesn't help.
 
The so-called "Simplified Classification System" merely perpetuates the classification stupidity.

Dumb beyond belief, and I hope the CPC drops that idea in favour of actual, substantial reforms.

So you think that completely taking away the RCMP's ability to classify or re-classify anything to do with firearms pretty well as they choose, and instead putting on paper in the law in easy to understand language how to determine what category a firearm falls into without any other criteria other than overall length is somehow perpetuating the classification stupidity? Taking firearms law completely out of the RCMP bureaucrat's hands AND making the law easy to understand seems like a pretty darn good step in the right direction.
 
you have heard they are banning it again?
Someone supposedly "in the know" hinted that it's on the Liberal agenda for the not-too-distant future. Take that at face value for what it's worth... could just as easily turn out to be nothing more than a rumour, too.

So you think that completely taking away the RCMP's ability to classify or re-classify anything to do with firearms pretty well as they choose, and instead putting on paper in the law in easy to understand language how to determine what category a firearm falls into without any other criteria other than overall length is somehow perpetuating the classification stupidity? Taking firearms law completely out of the RCMP bureaucrat's hands AND making the law easy to understand seems like a pretty darn good step in the right direction.
Yeah, that's how entire classes of firearms get outright banned...
 
Yeah, that's how entire classes of firearms get outright banned...

So if someone made easy to understand laws and a classification system that had some semblance of sense and the potential to un-ban many needlessly prohibited firearms to REPLACE a system that had impossible to understand laws and a classification system that was created and maintained by anti-gun biased individuals who HAVE banned entire classes of firearms, this is somehow not a step in the right direction.

You WILL NOT get everything "back" to gun freedom all at once without a good deal of insane luck and somehow having an uncountable number of things lining up in your favor. So how about taking some of those thousand cuts and putting bandages on them to start stopping the bleeding, instead of waiting for a cure that doesn't currently exist, and most likely never will.
 
So you think that completely taking away the RCMP's ability to classify or re-classify anything to do with firearms pretty well as they choose, and instead putting on paper in the law in easy to understand language how to determine what category a firearm falls into without any other criteria other than overall length is somehow perpetuating the classification stupidity? Taking firearms law completely out of the RCMP bureaucrat's hands AND making the law easy to understand seems like a pretty darn good step in the right direction.

As much as I hate the idea of the RCMP being in charge of not only upholding the law, but also applying as they see fit, they have been pretty good lately with their classifications of firearms. How many cool black rifles have been stamped NR, because they are bound by the FA's requirement on what determines a rifle to be NR or not? Quite a few of the past few years.

Putting that power into the hands of some Liberal nit wit, I would expect them to issue sweeping OIC's for anything that looks remotely scary, regardless of what characteristics a rifle has to meet to get an NR classification.

At least the RCMP can't ignore the FA and issue an OIC. They are bound by the FA as it's currently written, when they make their determination on what is NR and what is R. A Liberal politician, not so much.

As it stands, with the LIEberals in power, I am content with the RCMP making the decisions. The Liberals will just ban everything. Once the CPC gets back into power, I would gladly welcome them reigning back that power.
 
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Oh so the RCMP are doing a pretty good job with classification.... okayyyyyyyyyyyy.

HK243? "Can be fired too quickly so prohib". (Wait, what?)
Blaze 47? Has no compatibility with any AK47 parts but kinda looks like one so Prohib. (Uh huh... that's legit)
Ruger 10/22 mags? Well a pistol version of the rifle came out decades after the rifle so all the mags were somehow always designed for a pistol that didn't exist so prohib over 10 rounds. (There's some flawed logic there)
Scar 16 (and many others for the same reason)? Is compatible with an unobtainable military full auto trigger pack/parts so that makes it easily convertible so Prohib. (If you actually can't get the parts except by illegal means and with great expense how is that "easily convertible")
80% AR lowers? This block of aluminum could possibly be machined into a full auto (already illegal) so prohib. (banned because of what someone "might" do)
Swiss Arms and certain CZ858's? Could have possibly been made with some material or parts that were once in a full auto so Prohib. (Prove it. I'll help, you can't.)

I'm sure there are more but I am too tired to bother looking up more reasons for why the RCMP prohibits guns or associated things almost every chance they get, occasionally for no legitimate reason at all, sure sometimes they throw us a bone but the "cool" black guns we get are because they actually HAVE TO classify them as NR/R according to the law since they meet to the letter every criteria for NOT being prohibited (as opposed to filling the criteria for being NR/R), and there is plenty of backlash now when they do classify things poorly/wrongly. It's why things like the Type 81 sat there for what, 4 years before approval? Because they absolutely searched every possible avenue to see if they could attain prohibition for it. If it can be banned, it will be banned by the RCMP. Period.

So with this in mind, the conservatives projected/rumored simplified classification would keep the 3 categories, but make it really easy to determine what goes where. In the law. Not easily changed. OIC can be challenged, RCMP interpretations cannot be.
Prohib : Full autos
Restricted: Overall length under X
Non-Restricted: Overall Length over X

All the above mentioned firearms would be NR/R based on overall length alone. That's it, no maybe's, no what if's, no prohibiting things based on anti-gun agendas. No firearms sitting at the lab for years on end. The RCMP Bureaucrats WANTED this power over guns, and once they got it they have been screwing firearms owners over ever since then. Don't kid yourself, they have always been out to get rid of anything FA in the hands of the people, which eventually evolved into "anything that could possibly be turned into FA", which is most military styled semi-auto's. (PM me if anyone wants more info about that, I don't want to post it publicly since the source is out there, legit, but obscure and would likely be taken down if it got too much attention.)

No liberal nit-wit would be able to change it easily since it would be law. No liberal at all (like the ones that already determine classification) would determine classification, the law would, that's the whole point. The Liberals already have the "power" to ban whatever gun they want with an OIC, just like the Cons. "unbanned" the SA and 858. Not a good idea should one wish to be re-elected, and it would likely be immediately overturned by the next party anyways.
 
I'm not a fan of the CZ858, and I would put it far from the best NR rifle. However if they do ban it, it might work in our favor, as we could then put the pressure on for a simplified classification system and ditch the list of named prohibs, as the Conservatives will be quite insulted if the liberals "undo" their ruling on the SA and 858 and recreate all those law abiding criminals all over again, and might just be more willing to put things in our favor regarding prohibited long guns to spite the liberals.

You cant seriously think a ban would work in our favor...
 
As much as I hate the idea of the RCMP being in charge of not only upholding the law, but also applying as they see fit, they have been pretty good lately with their classifications of firearms.

I wanted my HK243. They're "pretty good lately" is a bit far fetched.
 
A little late, but there was a guy at the Meaford PRS match on the weekend shooting a Bushmaster ACR DMR.

I don't think he shot very well compared to the bolt gun shooters but I did see him make a few hits on the gong at around 550 yards.

That's pretty good considering its a semi.

He was getting around 1.5 MOA accuracy during load testing at 100 meters.
 
A little late, but there was a guy at the Meaford PRS match on the weekend shooting a Bushmaster ACR DMR.

I don't think he shot very well compared to the bolt gun shooters but I did see him make a few hits on the gong at around 550 yards.

That's pretty good considering its a semi.

He was getting around 1.5 MOA accuracy during load testing at 100 meters.

I figured it would be better

I recently came across a high end competition AR around the same price bracket which claimed "Sub MOA accuracy"

Wouldn't an SL8 be better that 1.5 MOA?
 
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