Beware of Remintons

Pickles said:
I must be the luckiest SOB on the planet.:confused:

I can't even begin to remember how many 700's I've had. Never seen a bolt fall off, never seen misaligned threaded holes, or had one that wouldn't shoot acceptable for hunting.
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Me too ........... and this list would include a lg smattering of Model Sevens, 788s, 760s, 7600s and 870s.

The only non-Rems I own now is a CZ 20ga shotgun and a Browning A-Bolt 22/250 that will be sold as I have replaced it with a Model Seven CDL .223.


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I think for the average hunter, all the major manufacturers make guns that are serviceable. Most guys don't even knwo that thier tupperware or factory wood is crap. They dont' know that the blueing sucks, or that the trigger has creep. They don't know that the rifle needs bedding to perform well.

All they know is that the rifle will killa deer at 200 yards, and that's about all they need, and that is who most rifles get made for, they aren't making them for gunnutz.

Classic example is my .375 Ruger Alaskan. It was perfectly serviceable out of the box. Still, I bought a McMilan stock for it, sent it to Guntech and had him do the trigger and bed the stock. I've also been working the action with a little JB paste on it to smooth it out more. I've lapped the rings and tried 3 scopes on it so far.

But in truth, I coudl have taken it out of the box and gone hunting wiht it, and 99% of the hunters will do just that!:)
 
bunny said:
Maybee if they started making then in China the Quality would improve. These days Remington rifles are over priced junk, the wingmasters don't seem so bad but still not the same as they used to be.
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From what I have seen my HP9 870 clone is far better fit and finish then the original 870 version it is a copy of and at far less the price.

As for rifles methinks it's pretty hard to beat the milsurp actions for reliability and durability. As building crap back in those days could not only cost the life of the soldier carrying it but cost you loosing your nation to the enemy.

Furthermore I doubt modern day Remington could build an SKS clone that didn't cost thousands or was as reliable as the original. :D
 
Wookie316 said:
As I said. Good money should equal good product. There is no excuse for Remingtons famous primer crater issues. I agree that is cosmetic unless you pierce a primer. Still a rifle worth over $1000.00 should not be made like this. For me that just does not do. I feel much safer knowing everything is functioning 100% as it should be. When did our society become so easy to accept second rate workmanship? Quantity over quality seems to be the name of the game. I did not say the rifle does not shoot. It shoots fine. I just feel that for the type of money one has to pay for a rifle like this, everything should function 100% Agree or disagree it's not right! What happens if/when quality slips far enough that someone gets seriously hurt or killed.

As for the mount, I like my scopes back as far as possible. If the extention ring faces forward the scope moves about 1/2 inch ahead more. I have a standard front mount coming that I am switching the extention mount out for. I have had more comments about that stupid mount than I can count on one hand. I did expect that though }:-(.
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You post pictures of a rifle you took out of the box, had a monkey mount the scope, shot 1/4 groups with it and your up in arms cause the primers look funny?

Have any pictures of the cratered primers?
 
chuck nelson said:
You post pictures of a rifle you took out of the box, had a monkey mount the scope, shot 1/4 groups with it and your up in arms cause the primers look funny?

Have any pictures of the cratered primers?
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You are missing my point. I am simply stating that a rifle that costs this much should be 100% and quality control should be better. I am not arguing that it doesn't shoot, from the supplied target picture you can see that it does. I am simply stating there is no excuse for not having tighter tolerances on the bolt face so the primers are not cratering. The T3 is mass produced and does not seem to have near the issues that Remington does. To tell the honest truth the only reason I opted for this Remington over a Tikka is I can't stand the plastic stock or magazine. At least with this Remington I have a nicer stock I like the feel of better. My post with the primers is here

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=337633

As for the scope. This rifle was mailed to me with extention bases. These are all I have right now. I have standard mounts coming. If the rear mount is reversed it hits the bolt, if the front mount is reversed it moves the scope ahead 1/2 inch. This is the best I can do with what I have right now. I like my scopes back, it fits me better. If it looks like a monkey put it on then so be it. It's the same monkey that shot those groups.

We can argue all day whether primer crater is an issue or non issue. I for one won't stand for it.
All of my equipment is 100% I won't settle for less. Mind you all the rest of my rifles are Sakos. I guess I should have bought another one }:-(

For the price that Guntech will do the truing,bolt,trigger & bedding, I feel it is worth getting done. My goal was to prove the accuracy of the rifle, which I think I have, then send it off to a reputable gunsmith for the fine tuning, which I will do. Honestly it shoots better than even I expected.
 
Whole bunch of owners complaining about primers cratering because of a large firing pin hole. For about 5 decades, this was the domain of 90% of all Winchester M70's, so what is new? Remington has some issues, just like many others. Enough complaints, they will have to shape up or ship out. I for one, would be sorry to see them go. I own so many great 700's, including recently manufactured ones. Eagleye.
 
Wookie316 said:
You are missing my point. I am simply stating that a rifle that costs this much should be 100% and quality control should be better. I am not arguing that it doesn't shoot, from the supplied target picture you can see that it does. I am simply stating there is no excuse for not having tighter tolerances on the bolt face so the primers are not cratering. The T3 is mass produced and does not seem to have near the issues that Remington does. To tell the honest truth the only reason I opted for this Remington over a Tikka is I can't stand the plastic stock or magazine. At least with this Remington I have a nicer stock I like the feel of better. My post with the primers is here

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=337633

As for the scope. This rifle was mailed to me with extention bases. These are all I have right now. I have standard mounts coming. If the rear mount is reversed it hits the bolt, if the front mount is reversed it moves the scope ahead 1/2 inch. This is the best I can do with what I have right now. I like my scopes back, it fits me better. If it looks like a monkey put it on then so be it. It's the same monkey that shot those groups.

We can argue all day whether primer crater is an issue or non issue. I for one won't stand for it.
All of my equipment is 100% I won't settle for less. Mind you all the rest of my rifles are Sakos. I guess I should have bought another one }:-(

For the price that Guntech will do the truing,bolt,trigger & bedding, I feel it is worth getting done. My goal was to prove the accuracy of the rifle, which I think I have, then send it off to a reputable gunsmith for the fine tuning, which I will do. Honestly it shoots better than even I expected.
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There are people paying north of 15k for rifles that are "100%"
 
chuck nelson said:
There are people paying north of 15k for rifles that are "100%"
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:agree:No arguments here. That is still no excuse in todays day and age that the quality on the lower models can't be better. Technology & tooling has come a long way over the years. I don't think gun owners should have to settle for poorly built product even if it is mass produced. After everthing is said and done, I will still come under ther price of a new Sako 85 when all the extra work is done on the 700. I am fine with that. Like I said I got better than expected groups, I just don't think that's what we have to settle for in regards to the firing pin. I also don't see issue with a guy wanting to have his rifle fine tuned to his satisfaction.
 
A year or two ago I saw a brand new 700, on the rack at Remakko's here in Sudbury with a dogleg of about 3 degrees in the barrel, 5 or 6 inches from the muzzle. It hadn't been banged up or anything, just made that way and got through QC, or, what passes for QC at Remington.
 
"Beware of Remintons"

A spokesperson at Reminton said that they are searching for a replacement g and as soon as they get it in place they will be able to manufacture ood quality guns again.
 
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