Ok so here in Canada we have the BB course for IPSC. Now its my understanding that we allow people from other IPSC/USPSA regions shoot here without having completed a course like ours. So, is it possible for a Canadian to not have to do the course and participate? Can people who are already known to have safe, advanced gun handling skills simply be given a "pass" without taking the course?
Black Badge question
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But what about Canadian, who has a recent good track of record in USPSA?
It is one of the issues that comes up regularly, and there seems not to be one answer that will keep everyone happy.
I really like the idea of the Black Badge course, as I think it gives guys a good base to grow from before they hit the range. However, I recognize that many countrys manage to cope with a far less formal system and still maintain a safety record comparable to our own. The Black Badge unfortunately can be seen as both a benefit and a hindrance to newbies coming out to play.
So many ways to be wrong and still fewer to be right.
Well, in my humble opinion, new shooters need and should take as much training as they can - to be safe, learn the game's rules, build up basic skills and so on.
It just doesn't make sense to me to go thru the same course for someone who competes on regular basis for 2-3 years while playing same game with same rules, almost same. And USPSA is a little more competitive due to greater number of participants and more people with very good skill levels. And.. shooting up to 480rds per match helps too
Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't USPSA membership automatically include IPSC membership?
It just doesn't make sense to me to go thru the same course for someone who competes on regular basis for 2-3 years while playing same game with same rules, almost same. And USPSA is a little more competitive due to greater number of participants and more people with very good skill levels. And.. shooting up to 480rds per match helps too
Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't USPSA membership automatically include IPSC membership?
For Canada my understanding (I could be wrong) was that we
recognized people from other provinces who were in good
standing with their IPSC section.
So as long as someone was a valid member say in BC they could
come shoot in AB. Easily verifiable through section coordinators.
Not sure how it was handled for outsiders from the US.
The Black Badge course is a good thing in my opinion. It gives us
a standard level of training across Canada. I'm not saying everyone
is perfect but atleast we know everyone we are shooting with is
"somewhat" educated in safe practices.
My. $0.02
I hate to say it,..but the only sports or activities you may find on the cheap are either darts, bowling and billiards. Ammo will be your most expensive cost in IPSC, unless you buy more costly firearms.
That.
My opinion, if you can't afford the black badge course, then you got into the wrong sport, or whoever is offering it is really over charging. You will spend as much for ammo for the course as you do on the course itself.
I take mine next weekend, hardest part was getting the time off work to attend.
I take mine next weekend, hardest part was getting the time off work to attend.
Much of the BB is about the rules of the sport as it is about safety. yet I still felt unprepared for a match when I showed up for my first one.
At one match I saw a first time shooter shuffled to the front of his squad for the first shoot of the day and was promptly disqualified for doing something dumb (facing back to the range, he drew his gun on the order (Load and make ready).
I think everyone who has just completed their BB and doing their first shoot should get an armband so everyone knows they are new and can walk them through stuff, making sure they are safe and have a great time.
At one match I saw a first time shooter shuffled to the front of his squad for the first shoot of the day and was promptly disqualified for doing something dumb (facing back to the range, he drew his gun on the order (Load and make ready).
I think everyone who has just completed their BB and doing their first shoot should get an armband so everyone knows they are new and can walk them through stuff, making sure they are safe and have a great time.
I think if someone has a known talent level, a 1 day course could be offered, just the book stuff. Even send them the package ahead of time, have them come in and do the written stuff and rules stuff, and gone. It just seems silly that we make guys who serious shooters in the Military or LE world, do the BB. I know that there are plenty of cops and soldiers who need the course, but I also know of a bunch that would love to do the sport, but scheduling hasn't worked out for them to attend any courses.
Lumpy, I've been trying to be an instuctor for 4 years. Again, scheduling and honestly, apathy (IMHO) from IPSC BC on this has prevented it. I've offered to host courses at my club, etc etc etc. Never hear anything back and as such it never happens. the few courses that have been offered, I've made sure to throw my hat in the ring, along with dates I'm available (as I work 4 on 4 off), and they haven't lined up. I know the world doesn't revolve around me, but you'd think in 4 years it could've worked out.
Lumpy, I've been trying to be an instuctor for 4 years. Again, scheduling and honestly, apathy (IMHO) from IPSC BC on this has prevented it. I've offered to host courses at my club, etc etc etc. Never hear anything back and as such it never happens. the few courses that have been offered, I've made sure to throw my hat in the ring, along with dates I'm available (as I work 4 on 4 off), and they haven't lined up. I know the world doesn't revolve around me, but you'd think in 4 years it could've worked out.
I understand what your saying but I don't agree about the Military and LE...I watch the LE shoot at my club and they scare me.. shooting the floor and stuff.....as for the military well I was a range officer for a long time when I was posted elsewhere and again some guy's are not good at all with pistol...you have to remember we are soldier first (maybe) but sometime that is very very far from our day to day occupation.
So I think the course is very good, and it provide a different view, if the only reason for one not to join IPSC is because the course....I'm then glad he's not joining....he would probably b@#$h..... just about everything else.
So I think the course is very good, and it provide a different view, if the only reason for one not to join IPSC is because the course....I'm then glad he's not joining....he would probably b@#$h..... just about everything else.
I love when those stories come out.....
We all know police and military can't shoot. Every hole in the roof and wall at any range across the country is from them.
No recreational or sport shooter could ever be possible of doing such a thing because they are trained so much better and shoot more in a week than LE/MIL.
We all know police and military can't shoot. Every hole in the roof and wall at any range across the country is from them.
No recreational or sport shooter could ever be possible of doing such a thing because they are trained so much better and shoot more in a week than LE/MIL.
