Black Bears can be Dangerous!!

My new bear buster. Tiny little thing, short, light, handy. 500 S&W :D

For years before I finally got my ATC to carry handguns for defense I carried a single shot stainless steel 22" barreled T/C Contender Carbine in 45-70.

I loaded it with 48gr H322 and 430gr Cast Performance WLNGC's and 405gr Rem JFP's and I always carried 4 extra rounds in a butt stock shell holder.

I faced down many black bears and a couple of grizzlies while carrying it.

Never had to shot it in defense but it was so light and handi that I always had it with me.

And yes I felt that if I had to shoot it would have done the job obviously not as good as my Marlin 1895GS that I carry now but it would have done the job very nicely.

Remember guys we are only talking black bears here and they die very easy when you hit them right.

So prosper I say all the power to you your handi rifle in 500 S&W will definately get the job done on black bears that is if you can hit it... :D
 
If Demonical says the bear was in an agressive state I would have to agree I dont know anybody who spends as much time in the bush or aquainting themselves with the intended prey as he does and he is no green horn either
 
I've had same issue with a bear not leaving my property after about 4 shots with 30/30 in front of him and a shotgun blast near him. Second shotgun blast scared him away finally. Went to go to work next morning wife was about to go out door ahead of me and forgot something came back. I bent down to put boots on and the bugger was walking past my stairs not more than 2 ft. Gave him a blast again with the shotgun. never seen him again.
 
I've had same issue with a bear not leaving my property after about 4 shots with 30/30 in front of him and a shotgun blast near him. Second shotgun blast scared him away finally. Went to go to work next morning wife was about to go out door ahead of me and forgot something came back. I bent down to put boots on and the bugger was walking past my stairs not more than 2 ft. Gave him a blast again with the shotgun. never seen him again.

Load some shells with pepper corns and shoot him in the but. It will hurt but no permanent damage.
 
Demonical, Thank you for your direct reply, and I certainly respect your experience and judgement, also. I know bears are individuals, with their own temperments. My son lives only a few miles from town, on twenty acres of trees and fields, and bears have "lived" on, or near, his place for twenty-five years. Virtually all the time they respect him and he respects the bears. They will eat from his dog food dish, if they get the chance, but usually he can just chase them away. He was telling me that one big bear was developing an attitude and wouldn't scare from him. He shot it in the side with a paint ball gun, thinking he woud know it from the paint. At being hit, the bear really took off and never came back!
One spring I was on a grizzly hunt by myself. I was near the CP mainline through the Rockies, about a mile by trail past a large work camp on the railway. I camped on the edge of a large meadow, with a "V" track on it, where steam locomotives used to turn around. In the evening a speeder type rail vehicle came to my camp. I thought maybe I shouldn't be there, but the fellow came to tell me the train crew had seen my tent, also two large bears in the meadow and the fellow came to warn me about the bears. I didn't do too good of a job of convincing him I would be OK and he told me to come to their camp, any time of the night, if I wanted to.
Before dark a large black bear did show up and was not easily scared away. I don't like a tent in bear country and I will admit it was hard to sleep while keeping both ears open for the bear and my arm wrapped around my rifle!
The next morning the work camp sent a truck in to see if I was still OK. I think they were glad to see me go a couple of days later, when I could find no grizzly sign, whatsoever.
I too, thought the bear that came had an attitude, but not enough I thought, to warrant shooting him. It's a good thing for the bear I made that decision before it got dark, and I could still hear him nearby in the bush!
 
H4831 for years I have camped solo in remote bush in a tent. I always kept some kind of sidearm plus flashlight beside the bedroll.

I have never had an issue with bear in my camp. I did have one sniff my head from outside the tent wall, but as soon as I woke up it ran off.

As near as I know the most danger I was ever in was the time sparks from the barrel stove lit some kindling on fire; the kindling was just on the dirt. I woke up at midnight to a tent full of smoke and the pile of kindling burning, right toward the woodpile along the tent wall! :eek:
It was a stupid thing on my part; a bit careless where I had left the pile of kindling.

I've won't ever admit to being afraid, but 2 situations in my time in the bush sure got my attention.

One was the time I shot the bull moose, when the two were fighting and the bull left alive wouldn't leave and the second was that stupid bear this year...
 
Pics look more like a curious bear than an agressive one to me, still, at 35yds and closing, I wouldn't have wasted a round at it's feet, but rather drilled him in the forehead, especially after screaming and hollering failed to make him go away.
 
Did he act anything like this one?

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=arwwny4JYtM&feature=email

This is the last 6 + minutes of a 28 minute encounter with this bear.

We finally backed off from him when he got to within 15 yards and looked like he was coming still...

We had just shot the grizzly a couple days before and didn't want to have to deal with a little black bear as well.

edit to add...

At first he was in the tree line on the opposite side of the road he wasn't happy he startedd growling and snapping his jaws at us he slowly worked his way across the road in front of us eating the entoire time max 40 yards away but mostly 20 - 25 yards away.

We saw around 100 bears in total on this last trip and were able to sneak up to within 20 yards of another 6 bears.

It was a lot of fun I'm thinking of digging my bow out for next year when we go back never tried to shoot a bear with a bow before... :D
 
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You guy's didn't really feel threatened by the grazing black bear did you? Loaded rifle on a motor vehicle?

Threatened? ah "no" not at all did it have the potential of becoming a threat ah "yeah" and if you don't think it had the potential then you don't know bears...

Tell me would you stand there and unload you rifle before you started away from the bear that was steadily coming closer too you and could if it did charge you from only 15 yards be on you in 2 seconds ah "not me i'm not stupid" but then again who am I to say "oh yeah" I actually do know what could happen and how fast...

I have hundreds of close black bear encounters every year and actually do know what a bear is capable of, they can go from casual to full charge and be on you in seconds especially the younger bears like this one in the video...

The closest that I have had to shoot a bear in a defense situation was @ 8 yards while it was in a full charge at me I know how fast they can move oh yeah no theory involved actual experience is...

Oh the rifles never were loaded those sounds you heard and our comments were just to get people thinking they were loaded...
 
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I think you had more chance of getting run over by a logging truck.

I have bow hunted bears on the Island for 20+ years and not to be bragging, but it isn't unusual to be within 8 yds of several bears per season, yet I have never shot one in self defence. I realize things can go fast. A startled or hit bear occasionally runs towards the hunter, only because they don't know they're there. I do realize the potential for danger, but that's part of the fun of it. Honestly, road hunting for bears is just a shooting sport.

Usually the bear isn't aware of the threat, and when they do sense something, they may raise on their hind legs, which I believe is more to help identify what's near, not to challenge. Chomping, popping of the jaws, I'm not sure what that's about, perhaps a warning or maybe just to clear out those nasal senses. I have never seen a bear approach aggressively towards a human once they know what it is, usually they head the other way.

Bears with something to protect, such as cubs or a kill are to be given a wide margin.

When they stop grazing, zero on you, hackles go up, it's time to worry.
 
bisonhd, what you say is what I have also observed. I too, a long time ago, hunted bears with a bow. There was a group of us and one year alone we killed eleven bears. Of course, this was long before the mechanical type bows came along.
In all of the years of my association with outdoor people and all the bush type people I have known, I have never heard anyone tell of a black bear that tried to attack after being wounded. They just try to get away, and as you say, they may even come toward you, but that is because they don't know you are there. All they know is they hurt and they want to get away. All this talk about requiring a rifle to stop a black bear in his tracks, to protect yourself, is a bunch of BS.
Also, black bears are not known as protectors of their cubs. I was once driving a 4x4 on a non-used trail in the bush, with two young nephews with me. We came across a mother bear and three cubs, just ahead of us. I jumped out of the truck, ran at the bears, and the cubs went up a tree, where the kids could get a good look at them. Mamma made no attempt to be hostile, while we stood observing them.
One bush homesteader I knew killed a cub every fall, to get the fat from it. He told me that in twenty years of shooting a cub every fall, he never once had to kill the mother. He said, "Oh, they huff and they puff, and they chop at you, but I just tell them, go on, get out of here."
 
Your false sense of security will catch up with SOME of you one day. . It's not the 99 timid bears that scare the #### out of you. It's the just the 1 with the attitude. A little more time around bears and you will surely change your tune
 
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:cool: Each year we have to SHOOT black bears for attacking people that were walking there dog, others planting trees. Tell the girl that had part of her face ripped open by a black bear when she was up planting. And no there were no cubs. some of these acounts I was sent in to help get the bear so I seen it first hand and the bear was a mean SOB Some bears like people are just nasty and if you have not seen one like that in 20 years well good on you for there are others that have and NO these people did not provock them or come on to a fresh kill or nuthing The bear just had a bad attitude.
 
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I spend 6 to 8 months a year around black bears and as I stated earlier have hundreds of bear encounters every year I am not talking getting out once or twice a year hunting.

I'm also not refering to bears that are hundreds of yards away from me I'm refering to bears that are within 50 yards of me.

Most don't stay around long once they become aware of me but some like this one in the vid clip are different, it wasn't afraid of us it had been growling and snapping it's jaws at us yeah right a docile little bear that was just feeding...

Ah that's right you weren't there and are passing judgement off of the last 6+ minutes not the first 22 minutes of the video that I didn't post.
 
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