Body Armour Sales to Civilians: Update 21 Mar & Post 105

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Maguyver said:
I believe the "serbian war" they are referencing was Kosovo, mid to late 90's.

There used to be home video on the internet, filmed by fighters of a few skirmishes

You may remember the video that went viral called, "russian soldier" where they stepped on the Russian Soldiers head and put a big knife through his throat and then hacked his head off.

It was

I think if my memory serves me well the U.N. stepped in.. Clinton was the President of the USA at the time, and they brought in the big guns - lets just say the war didn't last too much longer after the air strikes began.

If you want some details WIKIPEDIA, KOSOVO WAR. Just remember it isn't the best source since it seems to leave out the fact there were Religious aspects to the War, Muslims, Catholics, Christians...
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I thought the original post referred to the Bosnian War, which had it's fair share of massacre... but the Kosovo War might apply too.
 
Kasey83 said:
I would personally feel safe with the highest rated vest when using any firearm at the range or while hunting. We should fight for our rights to own the highest level if in possession of a gun license as it could save our life.
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No restriction on Type IIIA does not make sense. I would expect they fear criminals would use body armor to commit crime to protect themselves from the police, but the police is carrying 9mm, maybe .40, type IIIA protect against up to .44 Magnum and 357 SIG, so the reason for control is irrelevant.

Now why would the government to control its citizen to protect themselves against rifles rounds ? I guess it's time to put my tinfoil hat...
 
No matter what restriction the government put on the law abiding citizen the criminals always will ignore those rules and find ways of getting what they want. It has been proven time and again. Police just need to work on their aim and learn to take head shots. Body armour will not be an issue then.

I will be looking for a vest soon. Better to have it and not need it, then to need it and not have it. :D

As far as I am concerned if I am not allowed to carry, I should at least be able to have a vest. Why should the politician be able to protect themselves with armed security and body armour, but not me. That is just saying their lives are more important then mine. Bunch of hypocrites. It's the old "Do as a say, not as I do" bulls*** .
 
It just seems odd that by being CGD registered or by working for a gov't department or agency, you are exempt - even for personal purchases - while others (e.g. small business owners, private sector employees, etc.) are not except by going through lots of hoops.

I guess it doesn't have to make sense. I should just count myself lucky to be part of the privileged class when it comes to LVL 4 armor... lol.
 
Well I work for a company that has been certified for controlled goods. Each employee had a background check but we haven't had to get finger printed yet, but I hear that is coming. Wonder if that would mean I could legally purchase Level 3 or 4 panels or if it has to be ordered through my work?

Personally I feel everyone that does not have a criminal record should be allowed to buy what ever level of body armour they want. The government needs to stop penalizing the law abiding citizen with their "what if" scenarios. If a person commits a crime while wearing body armour they should face additional charges just for that fact. If they already have a criminal record then those penalties should be doubled.
 
Chemist said:
After spending a good chunk of today on the phone with Controlled Goods, ECL, and the Controlled Goods inspector etc we were given a clearer view of this.

Level I, 2, 2A and 3A are not controlled goods and are not regulated except by provincial body armour acts.

"The following interpretations explain
and amplify the terms used in this category
and throughout this subchapter: (1) The body
armor covered by this category does not include
Type 1, Type 2, Type 2a, or Type 3a as
defined by the National Institute of Justice
Classification;"

As such NIJ Lvl 3 and Lvl 4 is a controlled good and not available to sell to individuals not registered with controlled goods. We're currently seeking clarification if expired Lvl 3 and Lvl 4 are controlled as they would no longer meet the NIJ standards after 5 years.
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is they any links or proof that can show that this is in fact true?
 
Hmm the controlled goods barring vests is news to me, most likely one of those "spit and slip" laws that happened under the radar with no one around to object
 
Lfsabch said:
Hmm the controlled goods barring vests is news to me, most likely one of those "spit and slip" laws that happened under the radar with no one around to object
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i hope its all tinfoil hat talk. im only wearing an aluminium foil hat. will it still work just as good?
 
So does being a "Controlled Good" ban civilian possession of Level 3 or 4 vests or simply control the sale of such items? Is it a CCC matter? Can it be found in the Canada Gazette? There's obviously people with who've purchased them with PALs in Western Canada in accordance with provincial law, so more clarification or explanation from people here who understand the pertinent regulations would be greatly appreciated.
 
Hey everyone I found this link it seems like firearm owners can purchase a body armour licence similar to a PAL after we pass the government approval process. We then can legally own body armour it wont be recorded what we buy but is set up to stop the body armour getting into criminal hands. After December 2012 you could face the fines and charges mentioned in the website if your found with this armour. http://www.solgps.alberta.ca/programs_and_services/public_security/BACAct/Pages/default.aspx
 
Kasey83 said:
http://www.solgps.alberta.ca/programs_and_services/public_security/BACAct/Pages/default.aspx
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The key to this is the part that says:

"■Individuals holding a valid licence under the Firearms Act (Canada);" are exempt....

That means we non-criminals (by the common sense definition, not Lieberal definition) should be fine in Alberta....

Chemist said:
To what you originally posted, Lvl 3 and 4 plates are stilled controlled. The only thing that they ended up being incorrect on was Lvl 1, 2, 2A and 3A...basically most soft armour.
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I believe that means any soft or semi-soft paltes/armour that is not a steel and/or rigid composite is not under special control... Or I hope so.
 
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On a side note some armour plate carriers now have two front and two rear panels and suggest level 3a fronts with level 4 rears in the USA wow expensive!! I wonder if buying front level 4 with trauma plates in the rear would be a cheaper alternative.

I even see the USA offering ballistic proof backpacks, shoulder carriers, thigh and leg carriers, boots, and even security blankets all lined with plate carriers or level 3a materials. I wonder if we will see a larger demand in the Canadian market for these products.

You know the new laws are sad in a way if a teacher, bank teller, or even a convenience store clerk that gets robbed all the time will need a firearm license to wear a vest if the job title doesn't fall under the regulations.
 
What inventory? I took all of my Lvl 3 and Lvl 4 plates off the website once they informed me of this. They were very clear they would fine any businesses they caught selling Lvl 3 and Lvl 4 plates.

Controlled goods still stand by the fact that ALL Lvl 3 and Lvl 4 plates are controlled goods and much be treated as such. Lvl II, IIA and IIIA are not controlled goods according to them.

I have another phone call scheduled with them tomorrow afternoon.
 
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