Bolt Action .22LR

My toz 78 was less then $200 new with 4 mags and hits what ever it's pointed at.... :)

I'm not sure why you feel the need to explain the legendary appeal of the Anschutz but I'm not surprised to here that they have nice triggers.
So your cheap Russian rifle can hit a dime at 500 yards? You said it hits whatever it is pointed at? 🤷‍♂️

That was both a silly comment and a fairly low bar to set, being that the thing you could be pointing at is a barn door 20 yards away? 🤷‍♂️

I speak of the Anschutz because way too many people both underestimate the capability of the 22 LR and overestimate the capability of their crappy cheap rimfire rifle. This statement will be lost on you but this is life. 🤷‍♂️
 
So your cheap Russian rifle can hit a dime at 500 yards? You said it hits whatever it is pointed at? 🤷‍♂️

That was both a silly comment and a fairly low bar to set, being that the thing you could be pointing at is a barn door 20 yards away? 🤷‍♂️

I speak of the Anschutz because way too many people both underestimate the capability of the 22 LR and overestimate the capability of their crappy cheap rimfire rifle. This statement will be lost on you but this is life. 🤷‍♂️
Your right that was an inaccurate statement, at 500 yards it would need to be pointed above the target for sure to hit a dime.

I have it set up with a peep sight, should have said if you can see it..... you can hit it.

You being me.... :).

I'm not lost as to why you like your Annie but since you won't let it go....

What can you do with it shooting federal blue box that my Toz can't do? What model is it?
How often do you hit dimes at 500 yards with your Anchutz? I assume you can only do that regularly with ammo she likes.... I haven't done much ultra long range shooting with .22lr as I mostly enjoy plinking at shorter ranges with reactive targets.

Do you hunt with it, shoot paper, offhand reactive, compete?.....tell me a little more if your inclined, I am quite curious at this point it sounds like your smitten with her and in that your far from alone.
 
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We use our 22.s for shooting gophers in big open, southern Alberta fields. We have shot thousands, maybe 10 thousand or more gophers with the things. Gophers get shot from 5 feet out to 200+ yds with a 22. My longest hits were at around 220 yds.

If you've never seen a gopher up close, they are approximately the size of a 600ml water bottle with a toonie sized head on the top. They rarely sit still for long. They mooch along in the grass and then stand bolt upright for a few seconds before dropping down again. In short grass they offer a horizontal target. In medium grass, a vertical target and in longer grass all you see is the head and only few a few seconds at a time.

With my target rifle I can run headshots at about 70% hit rate out to around 75 yds or so. That requires rapid target acquisition, aim, fire. No screwing around. There is lots of room for error, which means the rifle needs to be very accurate w a good trigger.

As I mentioned earlier, I started out with a borrow Russian TOZ something. Not the same as what yours looks like. It was OK and I was having a great time with it until a friend lent me his Anschutz 64. After a day with that rifle I simply could not go back to the carppy TOZ. The Anschutz trigger, even on the lower end 64 model, is simply a thing of beauty.

Because we are shooting live game, I tested and chose an ammunition that had the best combination of killing power as well as accuracy. In our rifles I settled on Winchester Power Point. Definitely not match ammo, but it eviscerates gophers nicely. I don't remember what size groups our rifles produce with this ammo. Group size never really mattered on a gopher. It either hit or it didn't. 🤷‍♂️

This is an Anschutz 64M. They can be had for around $600.
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We use our 22.s for shooting gophers in big open, southern Alberta fields. We have shot thousands, maybe 10 thousand or more gophers with the things. Gophers get shot from 5 feet out to 200+ yds with a 22. My longest hits were at around 220 yds.

If you've never seen a gopher up close, they are approximately the size of a 600ml water bottle with a toonie sized head on the top. They rarely sit still for long. They mooch along in the grass and then stand bolt upright for a few seconds before dropping down again. In short grass they offer a horizontal target. In medium grass, a vertical target and in longer grass all you see is the head and only few a few seconds at a time.

With my target rifle I can run headshots at about 70% hit rate out to around 75 yds or so. That requires rapid target acquisition, aim, fire. No screwing around. There is lots of room for error, which means the rifle needs to be very accurate w a good trigger.

As I mentioned earlier, I started out with a borrow Russian TOZ something. Not the same as what yours looks like. It was OK and I was having a great time with it until a friend lent me his Anschutz 64. After a day with that rifle I simply could not go back to the carppy TOZ. The Anschutz trigger, even on the lower end 64 model, is simply a thing of beauty.

Because we are shooting live game, I tested and chose an ammunition that had the best combination of killing power as well as accuracy. In our rifles I settled on Winchester Power Point. Definitely not match ammo, but it eviscerates gophers nicely. I don't remember what size groups our rifles produce with this ammo. Group size never really mattered on a gopher. It either hit or it didn't. 🤷‍♂️

This is an Anschutz 64M. They can be had for around $600.
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Agreed, and also agreed on ammo that is the best combination of accuracy and speed. Faster the round is/bigger the hollow point=less perfect the shot needs be.

We "all" chase accuracy for our own purposes, as well as the kind of accuracy that matters for what we're doing. I find the most satisfying 22LR shooting to be exactly what ^IDCAY is describing, and in terms of what a low-velocity/small bore disciplines "make" you a great shot if measuring by field shooting, I'm not sure there is anything better than gophers. Some of us find the same amount of satisfaction buying caviar grade 22LR ammo, use heavy rests and only shoot on windless mornings=goal being the smallest group of .22 holes on paper you can get @ ______ yards.

I'm more in category A. lol

When you put it to gophers, high-volume shooting for 5-6 days straight....the kinds of shots you're pulling-off by about day 3-4 surprise even the shooter. lol I aim centre-mass unless only their walnut-sized melon is showing then we'll chip shot them out of their holes.
 
Reactive targets are my favourite but we don't have any gophers where I live though so it's mostly clays, steel, tin cans and golf balls.

My eyes are starting to finally show their age but one of my favourite challenges with the toz 78 and it's willams peep sight is chasing golf balls out as far as possible.... a good center hit will knock them a fair distance and then the goal is to hit it again before it stops bouncing and rolling down range. It's been a while but I used to be able to hit the golf balls off hand and keep them rolling out past 50 yards pretty regularly.

The williams peep sight's diameter mounted on the dovetail lined up nicely with the heavy hooded front sight and adjustable post which was centred in the circle and the elevation adjustment made with the rear sight.
 
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Your right that was an inaccurate statement, at 500 yards it would need to be pointed above the target for sure to hit a dime.

I have it set up with a peep sight, should have said if you can see it..... you can hit it.

You being me.... :).

I'm not lost as to why you like your Annie but since you won't let it go....

What can you do with it shooting federal blue box that my Toz can't do? What model is it?
How often do you hit dimes at 500 yards with your Anchutz? I assume you can only do that regularly with ammo she likes.... I haven't done much ultra long range shooting with .22lr as I mostly enjoy plinking at shorter ranges with reactive targets.

Do you hunt with it, shoot paper, offhand reactive, compete?.....tell me a little more if your inclined, I am quite curious at this point it sounds like your smitten with her and in that your far from alone.
I have a Toz 8, I installed target sights on it, heavy barrel and two stage trigger. It too will hit it if you can see it. 1 hole at 25 yards off of a bag, all shots on a 5 x 5 target at 100 yards with dialing up the sight.

Very fun project with a rifle bought for <200, cost me very little (I don't remember) and the front sight was free.

One does not always have to spend Anschutz dollars to have a bit of precision fun. :)
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Savage B-22, I have placed a steel washer under the action onto the screw that holds the stock on. It pushed the barrel clear of the plastic stock and free floated the entire barrel. Yes it made for more consistent smaller groups.
 
I've had and tried a few different savages. None hold a candle to a cz for smoothness or just plain pleasure to shoot.

I recommend keeping an eye out for a used cz on ee.

There are a couple of Sako Fin Fire P72's floating around in the EE.
They are a close runner up to a CZ imo and mine alone.
But, to each their own.
Tight Groups,
Rob
 
457 has won me over, pretty good price point for what you get, very decent trigger, very accurate barrel, durable finish that won't rust and is resistant to scratches, easy to upgrade and buy/sell parts to suit anyone's needs.
 
So your cheap Russian rifle can hit a dime at 500 yards? You said it hits whatever it is pointed at? 🤷‍♂️

That was both a silly comment and a fairly low bar to set, being that the thing you could be pointing at is a barn door 20 yards away? 🤷‍♂️

I speak of the Anschutz because way too many people both underestimate the capability of the 22 LR and overestimate the capability of their crappy cheap rimfire rifle. This statement will be lost on you but this is life. 🤷‍♂️
This is very infantile, I think you need to go suck on something. Even your user name says ass-hat.
 
457 has won me over, pretty good price point for what you get, very decent trigger, very accurate barrel, durable finish that won't rust and is resistant to scratches, easy to upgrade and buy/sell parts to suit anyone's needs.
455 is better quality, despite some of the nice features on the 457.
 
This is very infantile, I think you need to go suck on something. Even your user name says ass-hat.
A. My comment was not directed at you and the person it was directed at, seemed fine with it and engaged me in a reasonable conversation.

B. I am more than sure that the person my comment was directed at, does not need you to be insulted on his behalf. 🤷‍♂️

C. You missed where my board name is I DON'T CARE ABOUT YOU. :rolleyes:
 
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