Booked Another African Hunt

For lioness, my experience (2013) has been with the 404 Jeffrey with a 400 grain A-Frame. That would be my suggestion. No d*cking around. Hit it hard and kill it.

Of course, you can use smaller cartridges. My "plan B" suggestion would be a 300 grain A-Frame from a .375 H&H (worked fine for me for leopard in 2011. Shot placement is still key.) Or a 380 grain .375" South African Rhino - that kills extremely well. Plan C? Go with heavy bullet in a 9.3x62...

They say that the big cats are more susceptible to hydrostatic shock (and you can very successfully do it with a 30-06!). For me, I would still recommend a big, heavy bullet at moderate velocities. You're going to be close. And they are all big. With big nasty teeth...

Happy trails!


c-fbmi said:
PH says 375 not necessary for lion, in fact he said "don't go out and buy a 375" (little does he know that I already own about 7 of them in 4 different flavors) he recommended a 300 with 200+ gn bullet of a bonded C+C design as opposed to a super penetrator like the TSX or Part. He recons hydrostatic shock does more damage to thin skinned critters like lion than does a long narrow wound channel such as a TSX would do. I wonder how he would feel about 110 gn bonded 23 caliber bullet............
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A-zone said:
For lioness, my experience (2013) has been with the 404 Jeffrey with a 400 grain A-Frame. That would be my suggestion. No d*cking around. Hit it hard and kill it.

Of course, you can use smaller cartridges. My "plan B" suggestion would be a 300 grain A-Frame from a .375 H&H (worked fine for me for leopard in 2011. Shot placement is still key.) Or a 380 grain .375" South African Rhino - that kills extremely well. Plan C? Go with heavy bullet in a 9.3x62...

They say that the big cats are more susceptible to hydrostatic shock (and you can very successfully do it with a 30-06!). For me, I would still recommend a big, heavy bullet at moderate velocities. You're going to be close. And they are all big. With big nasty teeth...

Happy trails!
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Yep A-zone he did mention iron sights for "up close and personal" on the lioness...........so now I'm back to pondering my 470 NE and 500 gn Woodleigh softs. I have no doubt that a 200 gn 30 cal Matrix through the shoulders would flatten her as well though...........life would be so easy if I only had 1/2 dozen or so rifles............just grab the right one and go, none of this agonizing over the ultimate best for lioness, the best for kudu and gemsbok, the best for grysbok.................JJJEEEEZZZZEEEE. I need 4 other guys to come with me just so I can have the best possible rifle for the animal and conditions for each shot !!!! Ah screw it I think I'll just have to get busy with my 340 Wby and mount my 1.5-6X42 Zeiss Victory Diavari on it and I will be set to go with 240 gn Matrix for everything........sorry grysies, might be a tad had on this cape..........just have to shoot him in the ass or guts broadside and see how much is left..................


THink I'll PM Ardent...............cause God knows I need another 375.............
 
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FWIW, my .404 (Heym Express Rifle) was topped with a Trijicon 1-4 with a green triangular post (on QD's but never removed during our 23-day safari). That worked extremely well when it came to precise shooting at slightly longer distances (like the 100m killer monkey and 120 yard duiker. 400 grains of Barnes Banded Solids, delivered on target!).

Although I had the option of shooting with iron sights, I used the scope exclusively (even on the charging elephant). The 1x optic wasn't a problem even, as it turned out, at a "very close" distance.

If I was taking a double (think 450/400 3" NE as a nice "middle bore"), I would, personally, very much consider mounting the Trijicon RMR sight or Leupold's version.
 
Squirky said:
Kudu, speak proper english you dutchman!! It's not "tollies", it's "yearlings" and on this side of the world they call it a "flashlight".:d
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Ha ha - glad to see someone understands me!

In any case if these oke's want to go and stomping around in the SA Veldt, they had better start learning some of the local dialect!
 
Bushwack said:
yes, old school did it and probably does it still...but i wouldn't suggest to anyone doing this...It is quite scarry if a Lion charge and you wonder if you have enough gun with you, and forget about the PH, it is still very , very scary...i know the Lion still come in from the KNP and still eat cattle...
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My old man shoots everything with his 9.3 nowadays - and yes they still crawl under the fence and steal his cattle! - Apparently he blicksemd one a couple of weeks ago!
 
c-fbmi said:
Anything and everything that uses a 277 bullet.............It is my own personal and irrational hatred, I don't ask anyone else to share it with me or even expect them to understand...........it just is what it is !!!! :d:d;);)

Ah BUM, such is my life.........stress, stress and more stress.........however are you familiar with the saying "water off a duck" ;);)
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I understand I have a complete irrational dislike of 375 H&H and to a lesser extent 375 ruger. I have no logical reason behind it. I have no issues with the other 375's +.378 or the 9.3-9.5mm's. Just my personal windmill to throw stones at.

Since you don't need a 375+, use your 340 and bring a 257 or (I have no background information) this 234 penguin they talk of.
 
cupar1 said:
I understand I have a complete irrational dislike of 375 H&H and to a lesser extent 375 ruger. I have no logical reason behind it. I have no issues with the other 375's +.378 or the 9.3-9.5mm's. Just my personal windmill to throw stones at.

Since you don't need a 375+, use your 340 and bring a 257 or (I have no background information) this 234 penguin they talk of.
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GASP! b: You, you, ... you have no information about the 234 Penguin? :runaway:
 
c-fbmi said:
Na Hoyt, that was yesterday...........sometimes I lapse from reality, for brief periods and say stupid things but so far I have always returned to a sound mind.............so far !!!
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...or...does it only seem to you that way...? :)

Here's the true acid test: If you walk past your several chock-full gun safes and actually borrow a rifle from Dogleg to hunt with...well, I think you know where I'm going with this! :)
 
jjohnwm;11057510[B said:
]...or...does it only seem to you that way...? [/B] :)

Here's the true acid test: If you walk past your several chock-full gun safes and actually borrow a rifle from Dogleg to hunt with...well, I think you know where I'm going with this! :)
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I've actually had to ponder that question somewhat...............Now, I could wander off in a huge philosophical diatribe of what reality means to me...........but at 170 and counting guns in my vault and 10s of thousands of loaded rounds and 10s of thousands of brass to be loaded, I'm not sure of my reality, let alone what reality would mean to others..........My reality only involves first world problems, so do I really have a firm grasp on reality, one may ask? My reality poses questions like which of my 170 some odd guns do I take for my 9th safari...........I can tell you as a poor teenager this was not reality to me, but an unattainable pipe dream. Altai Argali and Marco Polo were so far beyond reality as to be somewhere with unicorns and Irish stag, creatures of the mythical mists, and yet here they are in my trophy room.
So as you can see JJohn, one persons reality is another's unattainable pipe dream.............so really what is reality? Only you can say what it means to you and I can only say what it means to me. One thing I do know is that I haven't worried for many years where my next meal is coming from.............That is MY reality.

And I just don't listen to the voices any more.................:d;)
 
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