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I see a lot of people complaining about this movie who admit that they have never seen it. You know what? The talk about Oscars is well deserved. Heath Ledger does an absolutely incredible job in the movie - far better than any other performance I have seen this year.
Yes, the movie is primarily about the relationship between 2 male cowboys, but I wouldn't say that it is solely about "### cowboys", and that it is a "homosexual movie". It's primarily about unhappiness and how two different people deal with it. One character tries to replace his unhappiness with a new relationship, the other one bottles it all up inside and becomes a tense, cranky old man.
How many of you guys have been "hush hush" about owning guns because you don't want the wrong people to hear about it? If you have, you're on the right track to appreciating what the movie has to say.
I saw it. I thought it was exceptionally well done. I cringed and winced through the one ### scene (which my female friends thought was "raw and ###y"), but found the rest of the movie to be extremely thought provoking, and not just about the two characters.
Don't think about it as a western. Don't think about it as a ### movie. It's just a movie. If you go see it, fine. If you don't go see it, fine. Just don't make a decision about the movie without seeing it. How can you honestly say a movie is bad, or good, or disgusts you without actually having seen it?
Yes, the movie is primarily about the relationship between 2 male cowboys, but I wouldn't say that it is solely about "### cowboys", and that it is a "homosexual movie". It's primarily about unhappiness and how two different people deal with it. One character tries to replace his unhappiness with a new relationship, the other one bottles it all up inside and becomes a tense, cranky old man.
How many of you guys have been "hush hush" about owning guns because you don't want the wrong people to hear about it? If you have, you're on the right track to appreciating what the movie has to say.
I saw it. I thought it was exceptionally well done. I cringed and winced through the one ### scene (which my female friends thought was "raw and ###y"), but found the rest of the movie to be extremely thought provoking, and not just about the two characters.
Don't think about it as a western. Don't think about it as a ### movie. It's just a movie. If you go see it, fine. If you don't go see it, fine. Just don't make a decision about the movie without seeing it. How can you honestly say a movie is bad, or good, or disgusts you without actually having seen it?
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hungrybeagle said:
What if they made a movie about child-raping pedophiles? I can say in all honesty that a movie CAN actually disgust me without having gone to see it. The acting could be superb, the characters deep and well developed, the filmography impeccable - but in the end it is still a story about a pedophile who rapes children
. Now, I'm not trying to compare apples and oranges here (or maybe I am
) but just saying certain subjects can make someone not like a movie just based on the subject matter or story line, without ever having seen it.
ILoveBigRacks said:What if they made a movie about child-raping pedophiles? I can say in all honesty that a movie CAN actually disgust me without having gone to see it. The acting could be superb, the characters deep and well developed, the filmography impeccable - but in the end it is still a story about a pedophile who rapes children
Now, I'm not trying to compare apples and oranges here (or maybe I am
I know what you mean, just like certain people's homophobic, ignorant comments on a BB can show you their ilk without ever having met them...
I sure would have hated not knowing what the movie is all about and to have gone in to see it, thinking it was a western.
While the intentions of some of you are noble in standing up for what you believe is fairness and equality, the truth is that the world will never be a fair and equal place. Never!
Look at what we've accomplished by being "fair and equalitarian" about religious views (or in other words, being PC). We have ourselfs the makings of a third world war. Had we nipped it in the bud (the anti christian, anti jews, pro muslim movement in the western world) we wouldn't be seeing LEGAL demonstrations by muslims in the western world where they are protected by our cops to carry signs that advocate the total anihilation of western society and of those who have the balls to not take islam too serious.
Where am I going with this? The world has never been about fairness and about equality. Yeah sure, try and be a decent human being but as soon as someone tries to push their agenda on you and to suffocate you with their believes and their culture, you should fight back and should endevour to preserve the believes and the culture that you value.
In the end, only the strong will survive. I'll choose survival over fairness any day. Every one else is ready to fight dirty for their cause. Why shoulnd't we as (mostly) white, (mostly) christian, westerners do the same to preserve our values and our life styles?
While the intentions of some of you are noble in standing up for what you believe is fairness and equality, the truth is that the world will never be a fair and equal place. Never!
Look at what we've accomplished by being "fair and equalitarian" about religious views (or in other words, being PC). We have ourselfs the makings of a third world war. Had we nipped it in the bud (the anti christian, anti jews, pro muslim movement in the western world) we wouldn't be seeing LEGAL demonstrations by muslims in the western world where they are protected by our cops to carry signs that advocate the total anihilation of western society and of those who have the balls to not take islam too serious.
Where am I going with this? The world has never been about fairness and about equality. Yeah sure, try and be a decent human being but as soon as someone tries to push their agenda on you and to suffocate you with their believes and their culture, you should fight back and should endevour to preserve the believes and the culture that you value.
In the end, only the strong will survive. I'll choose survival over fairness any day. Every one else is ready to fight dirty for their cause. Why shoulnd't we as (mostly) white, (mostly) christian, westerners do the same to preserve our values and our life styles?
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yorgi said:
EXACTLY!!! And just like certain people's unwillingness to let anyone think anything different from what they do and how they show THEIR ignorance by posting close minded, judgemental diatribe on a BB.... same horse, different colour.
ILoveBigRacks said:
I can actually name several movies off the top of my head that include child-raping pedophiles (although I've only seen 3 of them).
The Woodsman
The Pledge
Sin City
Sleepers
The pedophilia is only an aspect of the story, much like the "relationship" in BBM is only one part of that story. To call it a "###" movie is a gross oversimplification. That's like saying "King Kong" is about a monkey, or that Matador and Munich are both about "assassins".
If BBM had simply been about 2 guys romping around for 2 hours, then I wouldn't have seen it. The relationship between them is just one part of the story, much like the "child-raping" in "Sleepers" sets the scene for the rest of the movie. As I've said before, if you don't want to see it, then don't go. But if you are going to say that the movie is disgusting or weakens societal values, then see it first and make an informed decision afterwards.
Think about movies at the other end of the spectrum. Natural Born Killers comes to mind. On the surface, it glorifies thrill killing and promotes gun violence against police. (I haven't seen it in a number of years, so some of my facts may be off) What a terrible movie! If you look at the rest of the plot, it is a biting satire of modern media.
Modern movie makers are not stupid. If they make a "gun" movie or a "###" movie, they try to appeal to as broad an audience as possible by giving all audience members something to think about. Most movies cannot be summed up in a single sentence (unless they have titles like "T*ts and Ass Bandits IV"). A good movie is a complex story that can draw parallels from all walks of life.
Daniel said:
I never understood people who pop up into a thread (thus bringing it to the top again) just to ask why people are still posting in it?
What do you think you're doing? You're throwing gasoling on the fire while asking "how come this fire is still burning?"
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