Burlington gun club...5 month wait minimum!!

Friday i wasnt even on a vaiting list for the burlington club... now im a member ;)

See .... Something came out good , since last week .Although lots of Wendy's poutine was going on and other than complaining < no new idea or commitment , just he said she said. All gun clubs are same and none is perfect , other than just wasting time and energy , work on it and have some commitment and patience . If you can't keep up with Sharks of Sookiers at least don't feed them. ------- STOP NOW and focus on SHOOTING :ar15:
 
As I just noticed, my question has not been answered.
Probably, as SkeetGunner just dreads thinking that curbing numbers of prospective new shooters is a good idea.

So do I.

But...

We have facility that can accommodate certain number of members, and once that has been reached, what then?

So I pose question again.

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For many reasons that other people already mentioned, and some that they did not, Range Burlington has grown to be largest handgun/ rifle indoor range.
Or perhaps even biggest gun club in Southern Ontario with over 1700 active members.

Physically, it is not very large facility and as far as I know has no plans of expanding, there will come time where there is just too many members and range time gets to be too crowded, if that has not arrived already?

Are you guys preparing for necessary measures to control the numbers down to feasible and workable amount of members, how soon do you think that will happen, and which way are you going- membership caps or membership fees increases?

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And... I would like to avoid this becoming BASH SKEETGUNNER AND BRRC thread.
Let's try to be constructive and discuss ideas how things can get better.



So... instead of just asking questions and #####ing about what is wrong, lets just start differently and offer solutions and see what SG thinks about.


As I previously written here, one of the main reasons that BRRC has as many members as they do is that they are half way between two large cities, and have large pool of prospective candidates to draw from.
Safety courses and regular intake is well organized, and new members are readily admitted.

Everyone also likes the fact that club has 24-7 access, especially shift workers, and other people with irregular schedules.

But... most desirable hours, afternoons and evenings EVERY day, are reserved for leagues.
Meaning- if you want to come and plink away, you have to come very late at night, or in the morning.
People expect to be able to use facility at normal and convenient hours, and we start having unhappy members that do not belong to one of the leagues.

Someone will say, join the leagues and bang away.
Agreed, it might work for many, and I hope it will for me.
However, for some of the leagues like IPSC or PPC, you need additional training, and if you do not have it- you are out of luck.
At least for a long while.

What can we do to make things better?
Can we do anything, or should we just run the things the way we do, and whoever does not like it can hit the door?

Well, I happen to think that with significant member base and fees that come with that Range Burlington has options.
Yes, we are landlocked, and purchasing another property in Burlington would cost many millions etc.
But, we have no choice, either manage existing member numbers, or grow ourselves out of existence.

Nothing stays still in life, you either progress or you are going down.

So, Range Burlington in order to keep growing needs expanded facility.
Since we are landlocked, we can do it by building another floor.

BRRC can build second floor 25 or 50 yard shooting gallery with self retracting targets and keep relevant and growing.

Either on top of existing building, if if can sustain it, which probably can not.

Or, level the building besides it and build it there.


Of course, if it was private enterprise, this would be much easier to achieve.
As it is, it will take initiative of influential people within a club and great amount of efforts to make this happen.

BRRC could continue growing and become a true beacon for shooting sports in Ontario and Canada.

Or, we can just putter around and do things as we have been always doing...


Shooting sports can either become truly recognized and respected sport, or can continue to be well kept secret 'scary' activity of the 'weird' few... waiting for inevitable handgun ban in Canada.
 
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As I just noticed, my question has not been answered.
Probably, as SkeetGunner just dreads thinking that curbing numbers of prospective new shooters is a good idea.

So do I.

But...

We have facility that can accommodate certain number of members, and once that has been reached, what then?

So I pose question again.

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For many reasons that other people already mentioned, and some that they did not, Range Burlington has grown to be largest handgun/ rifle indoor range.
Or perhaps even biggest gun club in Southern Ontario with over 1700 active members.

Physically, it is not very large facility and as far as I know has no plans of expanding, there will come time where there is just too many members and range time gets to be too crowded, if that has not arrived already?

Are you guys preparing for necessary measures to control the numbers down to feasible and workable amount of members, how soon do you think that will happen, and which way are you going- membership caps or membership fees increases?

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


And... I would like to avoid this becoming BASH SKEETGUNNER AND BRRC thread.
Let's try to be constructive and discuss ideas how things can get better.



So... instead of just asking questions and #####ing about what is wrong, lets just start differently and offer solutions and see what SG thinks about.


As I previously written here, one of the main reasons that BRRC has as many members as they do is that they are half way between two large cities, and have large pool of prospective candidates to draw from.
Safety courses and regular intake is well organized, and new members are readily admitted.

Everyone also likes the fact that club has 24-7 access, especially shift workers, and other people with irregular schedules.

But... most desirable hours, afternoons and evenings EVERY day, are reserved for leagues.
Meaning- if you want to come and plink away, you have to come very late at night, or in the morning.
People expect to be able to use facility at normal and convenient hours, and we start having unhappy members that do not belong to one of the leagues.

Someone will say, join the leagues and bang away.
Agreed, it might work for many, and I hope it will for me.
However, for some of the leagues like IPSC or PPC, you need additional training, and if you do not have it- you are out of luck.
At least for a long while.

What can we do to make things better?
Can we do anything, or should we just run the things the way we do, and whoever does not like it can hit the door?

Well, I happen to think that with significant member base and fees that come with that Range Burlington has options.
Yes, we are landlocked, and purchasing another property in Burlington would cost many millions etc.
But, we have no choice, either manage existing member numbers, or grow ourselves out of existence.

Nothing stays still in life, you either progress or you are going down.

So, Range Burlington in order to keep growing needs expanded facility.
Since we are landlocked, we can do it by building another floor.

BRRC can build second floor 25 or 50 yard shooting gallery with self retracting targets and keep relevant and growing.

Either on top of existing building, if if can sustain it, which probably can not.

Or, level the building besides it and build it there.


Of course, if it was private enterprise, it would be much easier to achieve.
As it is, it will take initiative of influential people within a club and great amount of efforts to make this happen.

BRRC could continue growing and become a true beacon for shooting sports in Ontario and Canada.

Or, we can just putter around and do things as we have been always doing...


Shooting sports can either become truly recognized and respected sport, or can continue to be well kept secret 'scary' activity of the 'weird' few... waiting for inevitable handgun ban in Canada.




nicely said.

Though I do not believe that such a ban is inevitable.
 
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Shooting sports can either become a truly recognized and respected sport, or it can continue to be a well kept secret 'scary' activity of the 'weird' few... waiting for inevitable handgun ban in Canada.

The Ban in not inevitable. It is 2011. I would like to see the stats from the mid 90's of Bill C-68 which tried to take most handguns away. Sure it got a few, mostly those that tried to buy and get in after a deadline. While those few may have lost the right to own them, I would think most either gave or sold at a tiny portion of their value to a properly licensed individual/business. While in truth, these 12(6) handguns will eventually belong to one very old grandfathered individual there must be many more restricted handguns that have come in over the past 16 or so years that would dwarf that number. And reversing this 12(6) nonsense is not undoable or even remotely difficult with a government that wants to.

There are far more legal handguns in Canada now then there was back in the early 90's. And thanks to Paul Martin, there was a huge spike is sales thanks to his liberal stupidity. The lesson learned from Bill C-68 is that WE the law abiding gun owner will not accept or comply with a ban. We don't need to, there is simply too many of us now.

As to Range Burlington, if you're not growing you're dying. It's eventual demise can only come from within by dissatisfied members not getting to shoot when the want and by dissatisfied prospect members who will not wait. There are many range facilities in Canada that operate out of two locations or more, there is no reason they could not buy a piece of land further away so it is cheaper to build an outdoor range if that is what they want or another indoor one. As Ianis mentions, they have a building there they could remove and replace with a new one. Since most of the labour is donated anyway, it is all up to the members to make it happen. The members own the club, not the other way around. There are also the FOR profit ranges that are becoming more and more popular (Target Sports, Shooters Choice, Silverdale etc..) With increased demand, someone will step up and supply. My guess is JR, Frank, and Seth are all watching and waiting.
 
Wow! :eek:

19 pages about my little club. :kickInTheNuts:

I have been a member there for, lets see, 35 years, coming into my 36th.

If some of you on here do the math, I have been a member there longer than you have been on this earth.

Does that make me wise, Ah, maybe.

I have seen them come and I have seen them go.

You name it; I have shot it or was part of it.

Burlington is what it is.
I am dam happy it is close to my home location.

The Chief Firearms Office makes the rules.

How does that saying go, they lead, we follow, Ah! Something like that.
I know, it's we lead, but not with the CFO.

I seem to be there for Friday nights (Blackpowder) and Saturday nights (open) shooting.

After so many years, you come full circle. (back to the Black)
The older shooters here will know what I mean.

You never will please everyone including me, who gets pissed when they take are Blackpowder night or Saturday nights for setups with other shooting disciplines.

Hey, I can live with it for 36 years, so can you.

It's worth the wait.

Is it perfect?
No

Ah, I have buddies who complain that they can't play golf now and a few games of golf around here cost more than our yearly membership dues.

Dam, cheap if you compare.

My 2 pennies worth
 
Interesting conversation, which generically deals with all private clubs, regardless of the primary interest. These issues come up for fishing, skiing, snooker, darts, ring toss and other private clubs (which are not run in a local pub).

If you ski, for example, many members complain about the hill allocations for the racing teams. As one member at a private club in Collingwood proclaimed to his guest one day (while I was on the chair), "a tiny group of people take all the best hills and screw it up for the rest of us...." The actual count at that club (and I am not a member) actually has more than 50% of the membership involved in racing. Sometimes, at private clubs, there is an assumption that the tail should wag the dog.

When the numbers get run, it's not uncommon to find that a significant number of participating members are involved in a specific discipline. And private clubs rely on participating members to keep things going.

However, I would suggest this: instead of whining about it, if there really is a market opportunity, round up the capital to purchase the land or facility to establish another range. Ultimately, these folks cannot accommodate 2,000 plus members (all private clubs have an optimum number of members, this is a fact of existence).

If you want to promote the sport, provide more opportunities to enjoy it.

JMHO.
 
'Couple of points..

Tearing down one building to put up another range...?

The city owns the land... They'll have final say on what is allowed to be built.
You want to put up a "new" range facility...?
You'll have to build using current code. As we learned a year or two ago... Cost prohibitive. What was the estimate... 2 Million $$..???

Not even BRRC has that kind of money.

Buying land elsewhere to serve as a second BRRC range... Again. You have NO IDEA re. the cost involved. And where?
Pull out a map... Where are you going to set up a range withing a reasonable driving distance of Burl.?

Reality is... BRRC is a private club. Nowhere is it written that it has to provide a place to shoot for everyone who "wants" to join. It can't.

If it's on the brink of demise then why are there 1700 members and a waiting list to get in? Yeah... 'Must be a ####ty club :rolleyes:

Like it's been mentioned by some already... Np club can be everything to everybody... I like BRRC. Suites me.
I can't understand the Silverdale fan-boys though...
 
However, I would suggest this: instead of whining about it, if there really is a market opportunity, round up the capital to purchase the land or facility to establish another range.

...and that's when all the whiners will promptly realize the haven't got clue one about what's involved in running a gun club.
 
We are our own worst enemies. Burlington is a "safer" gun club I suppose? The stigma and the bull$hit in the firearms community is stifling.

We are Wendy's best allies.

Hey Griffoneur!

Pretty long drive to BRRC isn't it, all the way from Quebec?! How many times have you been to the club?

Yes, that's what, thought.......none. Before shooting off uninformed opinions, maybe you should do a little research, rather than painting this club with a broad brush with all other clubs. :rolleyes:
 
Hey Griffoneur!

Pretty long drive to BRRC isn't it, all the way from Quebec?! How many times have you been to the club?

Yes, that's what, thought.......none. Before shooting off uninformed opinions, maybe you should do a little research, rather than painting this club with a broad brush with all other clubs. :rolleyes:

Hmm on the Moon there is less gravity... it's dismal.. crater filled.. dusty.. but no wind... funny I know that though I've never been there.

Given the # of posts from people that have been to BRRC anyone whom has paid attention is no longer an "uninformed" opinion.
 
Reading some of these posts has provided me with some thoughts on the subject.

I don't really agree with everything BRRC does. It has its good points and its bad points, but for me, the good points far outweigh the bad, I wouldn't be a member as long as I have been. For those that want a tv, lounge, kitchen etc, I'm sorry I go there to shoot. If I wanted to join a social club, i would join the Knights of Columbus or something similar. Do I think that the process of becoming a member at BRRC is long and onerous? I did; before reading this thread. But after reading a bunch of posts, I dont think its anywhere near as difficult it should be based on a number of comments.
 
Hmm on the Moon there is less gravity... it's dismal.. crater filled.. dusty.. but no wind... funny I know that though I've never been there.

Given the # of posts from people that have been to BRRC anyone whom has paid attention is no longer an "uninformed" opinion.

RRRIIGGHHHT!:rolleyes: From people who failed at becoming members or couldnt have the patience to follow the procedures that were clearly laid out to them when they first approached the club.

Quite honestly, I am one of the members of BRRC who normally would not stand up and protect it as I do think things could be improved upon, but based on a lot of the immature and ridiculous comments, I feel a need to.

A lot of you remind me of Homer Simpson, when trying to be a gun and told he would need a background check:

"5 days! But I' mad now!"
 
RRRIIGGHHHT!:rolleyes: From people who failed at becoming members or couldnt have the patience to follow the procedures that were clearly laid out to them when they first approached the club.

Quite honestly, I am one of the members of BRRC who normally would not stand up and protect it as I do think things could be improved upon, but based on a lot of the immature and ridiculous comments, I feel a need to.

A lot of you remind me of Homer Simpson, when trying to be a gun and told he would need a background check:

"5 days! But I' mad now!"


Like it or not.. that is the info posted by many members... you may not agree.. but they have their own opinions and even those that have not been there can gather the same info. Irony is it's not the worst by any means.. but many things w/it do need to be fixed.. Even SG says as much.

Anyhow the point is.. regardless of it's flaws or benefits.. you do not need to have been there to have a lot of information about it. Since many others have been there. I am simply point out that basic fact.

Much the same as you don't need to have been in VN in summer to know it's very hot and humid.. Or to know X resort in Cuba is good or bad or ugly... you can research from information given from those that have already been there.
 
..and like i said as well, it has it issues (never did I say it didn't), but when uninformed ignorant people make generalizations, that will get called on it.
 
BRRC is nowhere near as busy as you would think with 1700+ members. I suspect most of those 1700 are members to justify their restricteds or people who only make it out a couple times a year. I have yet to show up and find all the ports busy, and more often than not i am the only one there. Leagues end at 10pm most nights, how many of you watch tv till midnight? why not show up and shoot during those times (i do and enjoy the place to myself). Fri nights after Blackpowder league is usually dead too. If your serious about shooting there is lots of free time at BRRC. "Haters gonna hate" I believe is the saying, so take my opinion or leave it I care not (i like it the way it is, no one bugging me while i shoot there cause they are all on the intrawebs #####ing about how there is no time to shoot at BRRC). :D
 
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