Burlington gun club...5 month wait minimum!!

lanis said:
We have facility that can accommodate certain number of members, and once that has been reached, what then?
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I don't really have an answer for this. How do you calculate the theoretical maximum capacity of a 168 hour per week (minus league time and cleaning/repair time) 11-port range? Rather than a fiat cap that some club's impose, we seem to be taking a free hand of the market approach. When the club reaches saturation, it should go steady state, plus/minus a bit of churn.

Since we are landlocked, we can do it by building another floor.
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When the range is rebuilt, the bulletproof roof will support a second story. In theory, with some changes to the mechanicals (heat, lights, venting) a 25m plinking gallery could be installed. Its not a physical thing or engineering thing. Its a function of cost and approval from the Parks and Rec Department. We'd need a bylaw variance and P&R is not in favour.
 
skeetgunner said:
I don't really have an answer for this. How do you calculate the theoretical maximum capacity of a 168 hour per week (minus league time and cleaning/repair time) 11-port range? Rather than a fiat cap that some club's impose, we seem to be taking a free hand of the market approach. When the club reaches saturation, it should go steady state, plus/minus a bit of churn.



When the range is rebuilt, the bulletproof roof will support a second story. In theory, with some changes to the mechanicals (heat, lights, venting) a 25m plinking gallery could be installed. Its not a physical thing or engineering thing. Its a function of cost and approval from the Parks and Rec Department. We'd need a bylaw variance and P&R is not in favour.
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My questions are an invitation to open dialogue about what can be done better, and it is understood that none of us has all answers.

However, healthy discussion using reason without getting overly emotional may bring fresh solutions to the table.

Your figure of 168 hours a week gets severely depleted once cleaning + league time of 46,5 hours a week gets deducted.
Add to that safety training once a month, when half of all ports are occupied, and cowboy shoot when better part of one Sunday monthly, range is well occupied.

Best part of remaining hours are from midnight to 6am, when most of membership are occupied otherwise.
Some shift workers like to come then, but most members would like to use the range at prime time which is occupied by leagues.
It is nice to know that we could go shoot at 3am, if mood strikes- but again... for most of us- we don't want to get in situation when that will become only remaining times to get some shooting done.
That is not the case as of yet, but we may well be going down that road.

All that proves that range is busy, and that is excellent. I have been to the ranges that are nearly empty half the time, and that is sad picture.

It is great that club has been very successful so far, and grew to size that we do have today. By no means should some discussants start writing about doom and gloom at BRRC.
But with size, come the growing pains. And unfortunately many old timers do not want to look too far forward, as it suits them just fine the way things had been done for last 40 years.

Chances are that many do not even go shooting too actively, but use membership as justification for having gun collections and ATT and keep CFO happy.

Some just like to come and enjoy social aspect, and that is great.

However, if we want to keep club successful, we can not allow it to stagnate. We either progress or start going backwards.

Liberals are definitely not standing still.

I have seen clubs with great facilities institute membership caps, and there is nothing more detrimental to shooting sports than that.

In times when we need every new member that we can get, those clubs are effectively curbing our numbers, and discouraging new shooters.

From my experience with several gun clubs in Ontario, CFO is far less of an obstacle to growing numbers of new shooters than gun clubs themselves.

It would be sad to see Burlington Range as one of the largest clubs in Ontario become gun club that will one day turn away members because of overcrowding.

In order to prevent that from happening, we have to plan for future renovations and building expansion.

Results come about if we look at what can be done, as opposed what we can NOT do.

Friendly reminder to other discussants to keep it civil, and refrain from personal attacks.
We are all here for the same reason, and that is to improve our lot as gun owners and club members.

This would conclude my suggestions at this time, thank you all for reading and taking part in this exchange of ideas.
 
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Every club is different, not every club is for everyone, there are lots of options in ontario and especially southern ontario and you should certainly check them all out to find out which one better suits your needs and wants
 
Ballox said:
I moved to Mississauga and am looking for a club close by.

Anybody familiar with the South Peel Rod & Gun club? Can't find a website for them.
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If you are in Mississauga, your best option is Burlington Range.

As OP mentioned, there is a waiting period for safety course, which is precondition for joining, but that can be bypassed by coming early- on dates when course is being held, in case that someone may cancel or not show up.
You got very good chances getting in that way, especially in winter period.

If you prefer outdoor shooting, Silverdale Gun Club is place to go.
 
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Wonder if my old club has been taken over by the Liberals LOL
......I just emailed them about returning to the club after 2 years because we had a new baby, I know for a fact that it's not a busy range. I just got an email response from them stating The following.
"The club currently has a waiting list and our membership quota for 2011 may already have been met."
 
Ballox said:
Wonder if my old club has been taken over by the Liberals LOL
......I just emailed them about returning to the club after 2 years because we had a new baby, I know for a fact that it's not a busy range. I just got an email response from them stating The following.
"The club currently has a waiting list and our membership quota for 2011 may already have been met."
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Typical for Ontario ranges... Trying very hard not to let anyone new in 'their' sandbox.
 
I am not in a big rush so before I re-join my old club I think that I would like to check out Burlington because it seems like it would be a more interesting place to shoot.
 
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i guess it may be an age thing, but i would rather a club that i have to my self, than be crowded with OLD guys not shooting there firearms, but shooting the ####.

like i said, its probably due to my age(20)
 
Ballox said:
I am not in a big rush so before I re-join my old club I think that I would like to check out Burlington because it seems like it would be a more interesting place to shoot.
At my old club I would end up just shooting at Paper by myself because the place barely got used other than a bunch of older guys sitting around in the lounge. I think if I went back to that I would get bored and lose interest again.
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Burlington is decent club, and you might like it.
If you join one of the leagues, you will enjoy it more.

Which club were you member of previously?
 
I didn't name my previous club because it's not right to criticize people publicly when it is their own private range and they are entitled to run it as they please, besides Its called having class. I always choose to take the high road, it tends to take you further in life.............

It just dissapoints me when a club starts waiting lists and membership quotas because it just discourages decent people from persuing this otherwise fun hobby.
 
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That is exactly what we are doing on this thread, discussing how things might improve with BRRC, no club is perfect and there is always room for improvement and constructive criticism.

Be that as you wish, we will not dare mentioning your previous club, they might get upset with you.

Best to lay low and stay quiet, probably would of been better if you did not mention them at all.

Who knows what might happen now.

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EDIT, to respond to your EDIT.

Having class has nothing to do with your decisions.
You just prefer to avoid unnecessary conflict like large majority of people do.
Nothing wrong with that.

However, sometimes you have to make a stand, or lose what you got.
That is why we are on the road to be harassed and intimidated out of shooting sports.
We will just turn back and hide in our holes, and keep expressing righteous indignation between ourselves.

But we will keep staying quiet where it counts.
Classy.

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No offence meant to previous poster.
It is just that I see this far too many times.

In order to have something, we have to earn the right to have it.

It appears that we just do not deserve to keep the right to our sport, if we keep running away with our tails between our legs from whomever wishes to interfere with our lawful sporting activity.

In this country, we got a thing or two to learn from NRA.
 
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