Bush Pilot Revolver ?

[bayoushooter]

If you have the possibility of ever landing in the states, get an ATF 6, and cover the bases. I am seeing a lot of XD .45's with a .460 Rowland slide/barrel kit. Very popular in Alaska.

 

[the judge]

My current ATC, which was renewed in August 2010, has my 45 ACP, which, on paper has factory ballistics substantialy below your claimed minimum requirement of 357 magnum.

If they will accept a 45 ACP then they will most certainly accept a 10mm. From my dealings with them over the years, including writing employers letters for crew and associates, I quite frankly never thought they cared.

I've never had issues with semi-autos, though my two year time period may have overlapped the CFO's directive against them.

I am very surprised to hear you have a .45ACP on a current permit..issued in BC? Most of our guys HAD 10mm's or .45's in addition to a wheel gun in .44 on their permits.

In the last couple of years BC wouldn't allow the .45's or 10mm's. The semi-autos were sold off... and much to my dismay were replaced with Desert Eagles in .44 or .50. Their sheer size and weight make to me make them less than user friendly in my opinion. They could have been better off with the .45 or 10mm.

 

[Ardent]

To add to the handloaded ammo bit, no problem, I fly with it regularily, including to Zimbabwe just months ago which took four different air carriers, in four countries. None had an issue, it only had to be properly packed. I only hunt with my handloads.

 

[Boomer]

Hey Guys: For those who think that they can get a 9mm or 10 mm approved on a carry permit, forget it. You will be 100% rejected. I know this as I have had a carry permit now, for over 30 years. The minumum requirement is equal to a .357 magnum or better. That means Factory manufactured ammo. You can not get 9mm or 10mm approved ammo in Canada that will equal any .357 mag. Yes you can handload 10 mm up to or slightly over a .357 mag but you can;t get it approved because only factory ammo is recognized by RCMP. Additionally you can not transport hand loaded ammon on any commercial airlines. Such as needed when repositionaing for a project requiring a sched flight. The ammo if hand loaded will be refused and forfited, then if you need it on the other end right away, you have a problem. I suggest that any of you reccommending a 9mm as a handgun for protection of life against wild animal attacks have never been in the bush legally nor had a carry permit, or you would know that the gun jams when subjected to the environment and rian forests, and all the debris that accumulates while stomooping throught th ebush accordnigly. I have also had semi auto's when it was legal to pack a 10 mm, and trust me they friggin jam if you can;t or don;t keep it clean. Anyone who has ever had a bear attack and I have, knows that a friggin 9mm will just bounce off a grizzly skull, and at 2 feet away the second shot won;t matter any more. Your dead. If your getting a bush gun, plan on a one shot kill at close range, and from a gun that will kill a bear with one shot. I still say .357 is too small. Just because I've been there, done that. Start with a .44 revolver, learn how to shoot it, it will save your life.

Seeing that much of this seems to be directed at me I'll respond.

First off, when it comes to air carriers, my ammo gets packed in my luggage, so how would the airline know or for that matter care whether I had factory ammo or handloads? The fact is they won't and they don't, provided its packed in a suitable container such as an MTM ammo box.

Next topic, I don't know what you think it takes to kill a bear at close range, but I've seen it done with a load of birdshot. Now if we're talking about penetration, a 9mm loaded with heavy nonexpanding bullets will certainly out penetrate a load of birdshot, but the birdshot worked that day. I'm not suggesting you load up a 9 with 90 gr hollow points and go bear hunting, but with a bit of common sense applied to the choice of load, the 9mm will match the wound volume from a .357

As I said in an earlier post, the issue of reliability with auto pistols was resolved 100 years ago. Most pistols considered for military service must pass reliability testing that would leave a revolver totally unserviceable. Not that I would carry an auto anyway . . . unless they stop issuing ATCs for revolvers.

As for my experience with ATCs and bears . . .

And there isn't even a road to where I live.

 

[Canuck44]

I see there is no sense trying to save any of you any time, especially when someone wants to make comments saying none of this is true.
Go find out for yourself. I won't waste anymore of my time.

I have flown with reloaded ammo on Air Canada and Hawkair twice last year with no issues. It has to be in proper containers ( I use commercial ammo boxes). Do you really think anyone would know the difference?

Take Care

Bob

 

[the judge]

I have flown with reloaded ammo on Air Canada and Hawkair twice last year with no issues. It has to be in proper containers ( I use commercial ammo boxes). Do you really think anyone would know the difference?

Take Care

Bob

Gene's comment was based on personal experience. He got screwed trying to get on a flight with handloads in an MTM box. They told him commercial loaded ammo in the factory box was the only ammo allowed.

It sounds like he got shafted big time with someone implementing their own misguided regulations or interpretation of them.

Sounds like there is a good number of guys out there across the country that carry on a wilderness ATC.

If you think about it, whether we agree on what to carry or not, those with an ATC stand to benefit from each others experiences as it sounds like there may be some differences on how the program is adminstered across the country.

Hmmm...perhaps we need a sub-forum of our own.

 

[Max Power]

It sounds like he got shafted big time with someone implementing their own misguided regulations or interpretation of them.

I was going to say. I've run more ammo as a freight dog than I can remember... The only requirement is secure packaging basically. MTM boxes, commercial boxes, even loaded magazines are fine. Under TDGR I believe the wording is 'packaged securely in a container designed for the purpose'. All the above work...

 

[Ardent]

Nice Ruger Boomer.

 

[Wendell]

Beware free advice

If you are flying a Cessna, there is room for a small flight bag or briefcase between the front seats. This bag will easily hold your handgun & can be grabbed as you are exiting. People are only going to know if you have a gun if you show it off.

Free advice may be worth exactly what you paid for it.

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I know of another bush pilot who also wanted access to a survival tool.

Originally Posted by effects View Post
What a sorry state of affairs we have in our Country. A wilderness bush pilot is trying to figure out how to get "permission" from our Government to carry a survival tool while doing his job. What a load of crap that he has to try to figure out a way to successfully jump through the very small hoop of BS.

The other bush pilot did not succeed in getting permission.

What he did get was a license revocation and a ten-year firearms prohibition, after his plane was searched in (the North) and a pistol (without a valid Authorization from the Crown) was found. He was permitted six months to divest his (large and geographically scattered) collection.

The same month that he was sentenced, another man was sentenced for an armed robbery. He'd verbally threatened the life of the clerk. He'd used an unregistered firearm, and he was under a firearms prohibition at the time of the robbery. The convicted armed robber was sentenced to two years and he was given a five-year firearms prohibition.



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[Camp Cook]

Now this would make a nice ATC handgun...

Listed right now as available @ Badger Arms Supply

S&W 329 XL hunter airlight SC
Scandium Alloy Frame Stainless Steel Cylinder
6 Rounds Cylinder
Matte black finish
Adjustable rear sight with HI-VIZ® Fiber Optic Red
33 oz

.44 Mag and .44 S&W Special
PRICE: $999.00
In Stock

 

[Ardent]

It pays to remember who you're talking to when dealing with airport staff not versed in firearms and ammunition. Handloaded ammo as we all know has zero physical differences from commercial as far as transporting it goes, and presentation is everything. Put your loads in MTM cases, and then place that case in a small Pelican case that locks, with the internal foam cut for the MTM cases. I routinely fly with my max allowable 5 kilos this way, and never, ever have had a problem in any country. If they asked me if it was reloaded, I would say it's custom ammunition made by a knowledgeable manufacturer.

 

[geologist]

Now this would make a nice ATC handgun...

Listed right now as available @ Badger Arms Supply

S&W 329 XL hunter airlight SC
Scandium Alloy Frame Stainless Steel Cylinder
6 Rounds Cylinder
Matte black finish
Adjustable rear sight with HI-VIZ® Fiber Optic Red
33 oz

.44 Mag and .44 S&W Special
PRICE: $999.00
In Stock

Easy to carry but I bet it would be very unpleasant to shoot with full house .44 magnum ammo. 33 oz empty is the same weight approx. as a 4" K frame! Wish we couild buy them in Canada.

 

[rgv]

Easy to carry but I bet it would be very unpleasant to shoot with full house .44 magnum ammo. 33 oz empty is the same weight approx. as a 4" K frame! Wish we couild buy them in Canada.

that Scandium frame 329 Camp Cook linked to is an 6" XL not the 4" PD model, they are available now.

I've shot about a hundred rounds out of a buddies 329 PD and yes, they are rather sporty to hang on to.

 

[Camp Cook]

Are you saying you wish we could buy the K frames or the gun I posted if its the latter
Badger Arms is a dealer here on GCNTZ...

I'm thinking they would be pussy cats compared to my 4.25" SRH...

 

[rgv]

I am very surprised to hear you have a .45ACP on a current permit..issued in BC? Most of our guys HAD 10mm's or .45's in addition to a wheel gun in .44 on their permits.

In the last couple of years BC wouldn't allow the .45's or 10mm's. The semi-autos were sold off... and much to my dismay were replaced with Desert Eagles in .44 or .50. Their sheer size and weight make to me make them less than user friendly in my opinion. They could have been better off with the .45 or 10mm.

yes in BC/YT.

I added it in 2007 if i recall, and they've left me alone, though again, it is certainly possible my renewals overlapped the CFO's directives against them.

I read a lot about people reporting on being hassled for caliber and action choices. I am quite accustomed to them asking me all manner of repetitive, inane, and irrelevant questions, but for whatever reason they have never questioned my choices in firearm.

 

[Wendell]

Now this would make a nice ATC handgun...

Listed right now as available @ Badger Arms Supply

S&W 329 XL hunter airlight SC
Scandium Alloy Frame Stainless Steel Cylinder
6 Rounds Cylinder
Matte black finish
Adjustable rear sight with HI-VIZ® Fiber Optic Red
33 oz

.44 Mag and .44 S&W Special
PRICE: $999.00
In Stock

 

[josquin]

I notice that this fellow is carrying a revolver for protecttion, although I don't know what calibre: ht tp://ut.no/artikkel/1.7448955

I came across this from an article today in the Vancouver Sun entitled, "Don't Feed the Bears, unless you're Norwegian."

So when I heard about the Norwegian adventurer who, 20 years ago, hand-fed salmon and mayonnaise sandwiches to a wild polar bear while fishing in a Norwegian archipelago called Svalbard, which is about 1,000 kilometres from the North Pole, I could only think: I hope they said nice things at his funeral.

Turns out, though, the gregarious young bear didn't chomp the arms off Ragnar Thorseth. Instead, it approached the side of Thorseth's boat, ironically a former polar bear hunting ship, and ate the sandwiches right from Thorseth's hands, and then clambered on to the boat and approached the wheel house. Thorseth, by then inside the wheelhouse, opened a little window and took a swing at the bear's snout to shoo it away, at which point it turned on its heel, lumbered off, slipped over the side the boat and headed for an ice floe.

The video of Thorseth feeding the polar bear was made public only this week, and is burning up the Internet. And I'll say this about it. Thorseth, who apparently told the rest of the crew not to be afraid of the bear because polar bears don't have any natural predators and it wasn't afraid of them and who today is kind of perplexed about all the recent hubbub, has some kind of jam.

I wonder how you say, "Crazy bugger" in Norwegian?

Stuart

 

[trekstor]

.44 Magnum or Colt 45 Long?

RedHawk or a tarus Judge. Both seem awesome. Any help?

 

[Camp Cook]

Thats easy if you reload 45 Colt if you don't 44 mag of the two revolvers 4.2" stainless steel Redhawk...