Bush Survival guns?

^^^^This!^^^^ glad to see I'm not the only one:)

Ps: I always take mine with me for this.

in hindsight of all the stuff i've bought and tried, a SS guide gun is probably the best investment in terms of simplicity and practicality.

Marlin 45/70 .Lot of guys up north putting .410 shotgun shells in theres for small game

I tried in my 45-70 enfield conversion and it wouldn't strike the primer hard enough...
 
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I just sent a text to my CO buddy asking him for clarification about this I'll post his response when I get it.

For now I'll share I have had no issues in the past and been checked by CO's while in possession of one of these shotgun and yes it was during a hunting season.

I was given a warning for just having it in a case in the vehicle. I even had the old registration certificate for it in the case showing it's status.

The problem is each CO interprets the law differently and you will get different answers.

I am just stating what has happened to me, not what is going to happen every single time.

I have gone to court to prove I am in the right more times than your average person and I can tell you it does very little to educate the party that brought you there. You would think they would be apologetic when it is shown that their case is not a case at all and their interpretation of the law and/or evidence was wrong, but quite the opposite happens, You end up with a embarrassed and vindictive person with a bunch of coworkers and friends looking at you with a microscope for years to come.

I met up with my CO buddy and another CO this afternoon there were also 2 other CO's present but they did not contribute to the conversation we talked about the 8.5" barreled Dlask Arms Rem 870 shotgun.

They had absolutely no issues with anyone packing this shotgun at any time during the year be it a hunting season or not they also both emphatically stated that they would not have an issue if it was used to hunt with.

I brought up the min 12" barrel restriction for hunting they both stated that there is nowhere in the regs (they even pulled out the regs and went thru it) that states the barrel length has to be a certain length just that it has to be manufactured to that length not shortened and the OAL has to be over 26".
 
Seeing that this is not a end of the world situation and merely a outing with the intention of returning to home my selection would be a 12ga with some slugs and some shot. My reasoning would be if i leave a spot and hike in for 3 days id assume it would be 3 days back out. Yes S$#@ can happen and you could get lost of loose you provisions but a 12ga with slugs would protect you or harvest large game and shot can be used for small game on food on the fly. This would feed you and protect you for an extended stay while you where found or hiked back out.
If i was leaving my house for the last time into the unknown for a unknown time frame id take a .22lr for the simple fact of i can carry 500 rounds in the same space of 25 12ga

Of course everyone's opinion differ and no one can predict the future but based on the OP situation id take the 12ga

I agree. All this talk of taking. 22 cal guns into the bush for survival really is novel. There are more important issues to consider than just weight and convenience when considering "survival" guns. Survival in many areas means surviving encounters with animals higher up on the food chain than us as well as being able to harvest game large enough to sustain you for an indefinite period of time. The only thing your squirrel gun would be good for is for mr Grizzly to use it for a toothpick after making a meal out of you. Let me know how it goes, me I have something much heavier and less convenient with me for "survival" when out in the bush and even out in my yard where bears like to visit.
 
I agree ...nothing beats a 12g for versatility and a sound nights sleep....
aint much worse than a 12g slug at close range...and a shotgun is perfect for a fresh grouse or hare..

if you have the $$$ get a Kel-Tec KSG, you can flip from grouse to grizzly in a flip of a switch...and with the bullpup design ...its really short.
 
I would suggest a Savage model 24 Over and under. You can still find them with 30-30 over 12 gauge and other centre fire calibers over 20 gauge. My Dad still has his 22lr over 410. Prefect for what you are looking for.

Huntdon.

My 12gauge is with .223Remington.
 
I agree ...nothing beats a 12g for versatility and a sound nights sleep....
aint much worse than a 12g slug at close range...and a shotgun is perfect for a fresh grouse or hare..

if you have the $$$ get a Kel-Tec KSG, you can flip from grouse to grizzly in a flip of a switch...and with the bullpup design ...its really short.


Ya that sounds perfect.
 
I met up with my CO buddy and another CO this afternoon there were also 2 other CO's present but they did not contribute to the conversation we talked about the 8.5" barreled Dlask Arms Rem 870 shotgun.

They had absolutely no issues with anyone packing this shotgun at any time during the year be it a hunting season or not they also both emphatically stated that they would not have an issue if it was used to hunt with.

I brought up the min 12" barrel restriction for hunting they both stated that there is nowhere in the regs (they even pulled out the regs and went thru it) that states the barrel length has to be a certain length just that it has to be manufactured to that length not shortened and the OAL has to be over 26".
look at the BC hunting regulations, page 3 of the definitions at "handgun" then look at page 17 under legal hunting methods which states "No person shall hunt wildlife with a handgun"

It appears as though not every CO knows the regulations written or how to find them either.......

Handgun – is a firearm that is designed,
altered or intended to be aimed and fired by
the action of one hand or that has a barrel less
than 305 mm (12 in.) in length.

http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/fw/wildlife/hunting/regulations/1416/docs/Provincial_2014.pdf
 
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I agree ...nothing beats a 12g for versatility and a sound nights sleep....
aint much worse than a 12g slug at close range...and a shotgun is perfect for a fresh grouse or hare..

if you have the $$$ get a Kel-Tec KSG, you can flip from grouse to grizzly in a flip of a switch...and with the bullpup design ...its really short.

I wouldn't trust my life on any Kel-Tec... but you are right about 12 gauge. Nothing beats it. Slugs, buck-shot, or bird loads... you're covered for anything and everything. I'd go for a proven Remington Marine Magnum and not wory about rust either!
 
I like the realism happening in this thread. It's nice to see a bush survival thread that isn't all about "super bears with rabies are attacking... from SPAAAACE"

Surprisingly few votes for a Marlin 45/70 SBL though. I count about 3 so far. That would be my go-to. The Savage model 24 is a great idea too
 
The 12 gauge is the most versatile, but the weight and bulk of the ammo is a significant issue... realistically any survival scenario is likely to be of short duration... in which case I would go with 12 gauge... but let's pretend for a moment that circumstances conspire to require a "four season" stay in the wilderness... in this case I would choose as much .22 WMR Maxi-Mag as I could carry... and a compact, solid, simple platform to deliver it.
 
in hindsight of all the stuff i've bought and tried, a SS guide gun is probably the best investment in terms of simplicity and practicality.



I tried in my 45-70 enfield conversion and it wouldn't strike the primer hard enough...

You have a couple of options here - either try 3" (assuming you haven't already) or try putting an o-ring in front of the .410 rim to hold the primer against the bolt face...
 
For me it's a cut down (20") over under 12 gauge. It's a sabatti, but that just because it's what I found first. I have a magnetic fibre optic set of sights on it for shooting rifled slugs. I'm comfortable only to about 40 yards for deer with that. Pop off the rear sight and it'll spank pretty much any bird im likely to encounter, if I do my part. I don't carry it for self defence ( Nova scotia, so IMO not necessary). But it would suit that purpose well I think because it breaks down to max 20" so easy to pack in canoe barrel or your backpack. For me, it's purpose is to break down discretely in a backpack for some of my hunting spots for which a discrete approach is necessary. Once out of sight in the woods I pop my vest on and out it together to hunt. I like the h& R survival gun, but wish it had sights on it.
 
After packing a Baikal 12ga single for years, I recently broke down and doled out the enormous amount of $125.00 for one of these little guns. It is a great little shotgun for just what the OP is looking for. Got mine in 20ga, pack a half dozen Remington slugs and a few game shots in #6. So light you forget it is there, but an amazingly accurate little shooter. Spend your money on other things cause this is all you need.

corwin arms sells a warrior 12 guage very inexpensive and decent after slight tweaks, actually has screw in chokes and a extended rifled slug choke is available, for 125 bucks tough to go wrong, it even folds in half and is super light, a couple different barrel lengths as well as gauges are available

http://www.corwin-arms.com/product/warrior-12-3inch-chamber-16-inch-single-barrel-screw-chokes-0

I bought that and a 410 insert and a 20 guage insert for it from trade ex, pack it in the boat, quad it even fits in my saddlebags on my bike
 
I agree. All this talk of taking. 22 cal guns into the bush for survival really is novel. There are more important issues to consider than just weight and convenience when considering "survival" guns. Survival in many areas means surviving encounters with animals higher up on the food chain than us as well as being able to harvest game large enough to sustain you for an indefinite period of time. The only thing your squirrel gun would be good for is for mr Grizzly to use it for a toothpick after making a meal out of you. Let me know how it goes, me I have something much heavier and less convenient with me for "survival" when out in the bush and even out in my yard where bears like to visit.

Its not a "novel" idea at all. Its a real world practical idea. All my life i've canoed, camped, fished and wandered about the woods. And in those 24 short years, I have never once had an encounter with any animal that wanted to harm me. They're there, I know it cause i've seen the sign. Now that being said in the wilds of Ontario there are not a lot of animals out there to do you harm. Blackie attacks are rare (not to be said that their isn't a threat, just not threat number 1), same goes for wolves. In all that time, the vast majority of animals i've seen have been small game. A .22 is perfect. Also make no mistake that you can kill much bigger game than a rabbit with a .22 if need be (i.e survival). But the lightweight rifle and ammo combo is a big deal when your totally drained of energy and lacking calories.

Out west, sure, bears are more of a threat. But i've yet to hear all the horror stories from BC residents, albertans, yukoners, and NWTers of the roving bands of grizz lurking around every tree, brush or stream just waiting for an outdoorsman to happen by so they can maul them. Animal attacks happen, but they are rare. And when considering survival we must look at ALL aspects. Not just one very small percentage issue that could arise. Dying of exposure, or dehydration or injury are far more likely fates than getting killed by a bear/wolf/cougar.

However in a survival situation, a .22 is a valuable tool to have. To say its merely a novel concept is just being ignorant.

For me, this is very situationally dependant and I don't think there is one right gun. For short stints, couple days to a week, a shotgun with some variety. For a long term off grid scenario a .22 is what i'd bring.
 
I take 14" 870 clone with a colaspable stock and a ghost ring sight with me for defense and survival. I carry a target load in the chamber , two slugs, a buck and another slug. The birdshot to hopefully scare off any attacking animals and be ready for a game bird. The two slugs have nice stopping power. Than buckshot incase I have a fast moving small predator and need a pattern rather than a projectile. Then a final slug just in case. It isn't perfect thou ammo is heavy and 12 gauge and rifle caliber adaptor would be very helpful in a survival ####uation.
 
Why bird shot?? you can shoot a slug into the ground if you intend to scare it. Your gonna feel pretty dumb if given time for one shot and its a target load of shot
 
I could but if when i run into a grouse I would need to fiddle around with loading one. This way I have the option of a shooting a grouse, using a cheap round to scare off a animal or just cycling the action to load a slug. However your right it does take a split second to load a slug when needed.
 
Its not a "novel" idea at all. Its a real world practical idea. All my life i've canoed, camped, fished and wandered about the woods. And in those 24 short years, I have never once had an encounter with any animal that wanted to harm me. They're there, I know it cause i've seen the sign. Now that being said in the wilds of Ontario there are not a lot of animals out there to do you harm. Blackie attacks are rare (not to be said that their isn't a threat, just not threat number 1), same goes for wolves. In all that time, the vast majority of animals i've seen have been small game. A .22 is perfect. Also make no mistake that you can kill much bigger game than a rabbit with a .22 if need be (i.e survival). But the lightweight rifle and ammo combo is a big deal when your totally drained of energy and lacking calories.

Out west, sure, bears are more of a threat. But i've yet to hear all the horror stories from BC residents, albertans, yukoners, and NWTers of the roving bands of grizz lurking around every tree, brush or stream just waiting for an outdoorsman to happen by so they can maul them. Animal attacks happen, but they are rare. And when considering survival we must look at ALL aspects. Not just one very small percentage issue that could arise. Dying of exposure, or dehydration or injury are far more likely fates than getting killed by a bear/wolf/cougar.

However in a survival situation, a .22 is a valuable tool to have. To say its merely a novel concept is just being ignorant.

For me, this is very situationally dependant and I don't think there is one right gun. For short stints, couple days to a week, a shotgun with some variety. For a long term off grid scenario a .22 is what i'd bring.


Like I said, for me bears are the issue. There are plenty here, black and griz. They roam the streets and back yards and I am not gonna take any chances especially when I am out with my kids. That's the only type of survival I worry about.. 22 cal is not much good where I am, not alot of small game or birds around mainly deer, moose and predators of the 4 legged variety. Like you said, not one gun is perfect but pick what suites you. I dont need to go out the bush to have an encounter with something dangerous, I just have to sit out in the back yard.
 
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