C7 Foregrip Handle

OK boys, thanks for the flame fest,
1.) before we hold the charge parade can we first say that the using of civvie uppers is not illegal as kevinB has shown.
2.) It was a rumor, and this is a forum, and if you have something to say use the PM function, this is my first online jacking up this is hilarious.
3.) I never slandered the LSSR
4.) I heard the rumor from one of yours
5.) this post is how old?
6.) I guess this means when I move to Tbay to go to lakehead I"m going to have to be a medic?

I'll see you guys on CB
ttyl
 
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Billnye said:
1.) before we hold the charge parade can we first say that the using of civvie uppers is not illegal as kevinB has shown.
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Au Contrare. Try running it by a knowledgeable CO, or tech. Being a tech, I'ld snap if I were to see a civy upper used. Leniency on small add ons is no biggie, but a line must be drawn somewhere. I have a tech message stating just that. "no modifications allowed to any CF weapon" is what it states....edited as per below
Remember, things are a little different in theatre. I wouldn't be seen by the powers to be using a civvy lower out of theatre....KevinB gives the bottom line on it below...well put Kevin.
 
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Actually I used (and others as well) civy uppers while in the CF

By the reg's any mod is illegal -- its up to you and your chain of command to determine where or not its wise -- and the pro's of the mod outweight the potential cons.
 
IMHO a tech should not be setting policy for a "gun fighter's" equipment,gladly that is beginning to sink in to a certain extent,we had some problems with idle threats of charges and other sillyness being laid at first but that has been taken care of.
 
You see, there is only one problem with using civvy uppers/internals. Should an accident occur, all bets are off due to the fact that non MP'd parts could possibly be involved. This is actually where a person would hang on it. Add on parts are different such as grips, butts, rail systems, sights, etc. As long as there is no safety concern with them, (ie trigger mech parts being changed, etc) then there is really no concern. This is my technical perspective on it anyway.....feel free to comment as you wish...
 
diamondcutter13 said:
Got to play with the new issue Cadex fore grip last weekend. Its a fairly beefy folding grip and came with a small strip of alloy rail that bolts through the vent holes of the plastic and metal hand grip/heat shield. The mount was pretty steady but not as robust as an all alloy RIS. It also has a little compartment for storing 123 batteries.
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NSN for that item? :D
 
Grunt21 said:
And for being able to get away with anything, only 64 packs, boots with a chit, gloves, and slings are about the only non issue kit used on exercise.
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Pretty standard in the res world. You gotta get that boot chit though thats the good stuff. I was lucky enough to get orthotics too but it cost me a torn achilies, planters and 1year and counting for recovery. Damn you Gagetown!

The C9 forgrip mod is pretty common on ex.
 
Grunt21 is the only troop to actually own an ar15 in the lssr to my knowledge and saying an lssr member uses an ar15 uper is probably going to come down on him and he is in my section so i know for a fact he doesn't use his ar15 upper.
 
I ran 3 setups.

C9 verical grip with a washer and a 3/8" nut, GG&G rail with a KAC vertical grip. Right now im running a KAC M5 RAS with a KAC vertical grip.


Rohann I wasn't able to put a vertical grip till I got overseas, I tried to put one on my work up but I was told to take it off. What makes you think your gonna get a tour?

They're barley send privates espically in the reserves.
 
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Canadian Sig said:
NSN for that item? :D
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Not sure if the NSN was on the released small arms update. A wpns tech could find it quicker than I could.

I was told specifically it would not be issued to "retro" upgrade C7A1s, only issued to units with the A2 models so reserves etc are SOL until they get the new one.




and the C9 rail I mentioned seeing earlier


For those interested the site is at:

http://www. cadexinc.com/military.html

yay! another Canadian company making weapons accessories :dancingbanana: :D hopefully they will eventually market to civies also.
 
Not to drag things TOO far off the original topic, but...

If I recall correctly, there were provisions in the QR&O's or CFAO's that allowed the bringing of personally owned weapons on deployment. As far as I recall reading, there were a pile of hoops to jump through, between getting authorisations from the unit and the armourers, and transport had to be done securely, along with the rest of the unit weapons. It also had to be fundamentally the same as the rest of the units weapons, IIRC.

Is that order still on the books?

If so, I could marginally beleive the use of a civvie upper on a CF lower, as it would allow the (if approved) owned portion of the weapon to be able to utilise the full auto capability that is only available from the issue lower.

And face it, dropping a civ upper on a mil lower is hardly modding the weapon, as it is not causing any permanent changes to it, unlike, say drilling extra mounting holes for shiny toys.
Whether the unit would allow it is an entirely different discussion, too. Lots of stufff is allowed on paper, usually followed by the phrase "if approved by" or similar.

I could see something like that giving the JAG guys conniptions, and the units turning down such requests as a matter of course, but I know I read it within the last few years. With all the lawyer involvement and LOAC briefs of the last few years, I have no problems beleiving that that particular order has evaporated in favor of a flat "must use issued or approved kit" blanket order.

Cheers
Trev
 
diamondcutter13 said:
Not sure if the NSN was on the released small arms update. A wpns tech could find it quicker than I could.

I was told specifically it would not be issued to "retro" upgrade C7A1s, only issued to units with the A2 models so reserves etc are SOL until they get the new one.




and the C9 rail I mentioned seeing earlier


For those interested the site is at:

http://www. cadexinc.com/military.html

yay! another Canadian company making weapons accessories :dancingbanana: :D hopefully they will eventually market to civies also.
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The NSN was on the tech message, which should have been handed to Company Quartermasters to order ...as for a CFAO or QR&O authorising use of pers weapons, that's a new one to me....I'ld be interested in reading that one if it truly does exist....
 
C9A2's and the m1913 rail.
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