C7 Foregrip Handle

Add-ons and extras

Couldn't resist gettin in on the action....

As a Snr NCO Wpns Tech ( ooohhh ahhhhh, I know) it sometimes falls to us to keep the accessories and extras to a minimum. Those elite soldiers who work in Ottawa get the special stuff, but the army is expected to use the kit issued.

The reason we have to do this is:

1. We have the parts for it, if it breaks (most of the time)
2. It's what everyone should be or is trained on.
3. When we are inspecting and repairing weapons in garrison, we don't have to take off or work around non-issue kit.
4. When it comes to safety or an accident/incident, we can properly investigate the true cause, so that it won't happen to other soldiers.

I try to keep my battalion to an acceptable level. No, I don't run the place but I am a technical expert and use my authority as such to advise and assist the leaders who do run the unit.

I know the "personal" kit and add-ons are used outside the battalion lines, but I try to give advice to them about stuff affecting the safe function of the weapon. As for AStan, I feel a bit more of a liberal policy is in order in a war-zone.

As for personal weapons use, from my experience it must be for a specific reason, authorized by message from NDHQ, and only after it has been Certified Safe to Fire by a QL 6A Wpns Tech, like me. I've done a few for certain training requirements.

Just trying to provoke some healthy debate among friends.....
 
I'd never authorize that paint mod. That tape. Against regs. :dancingbanana: LOL

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Rohann. you won't be going to astan in 08.
you're not even done your bmq.
don't worry about the gucci gear. you won't need it. get good at shooting first with the issue rifle. If you really do need one, pawn one from the c9.

Have you had your first range quali yet?
 
Beann said:
I know the "personal" kit and add-ons are used outside the battalion lines, but I try to give advice to them about stuff affecting the safe function of the weapon. As for AStan, I feel a bit more of a liberal policy is in order in a war-zone.
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So if it's good enough to use in Afganistan, why not allow the mods here in Canada? Train how you fight! I've got a bit of a technical background in the "use" of our small arms.
 
ZuluMike,

Point taken, BUT.....

If you let one thing go, then someone else goes "Hey, if thats okay, then I can do this..."

Sometimes, its a big case of P*nis Envy.

We could go on and on. Suffices to say you have your opinion and I have mine. I say keep some measure of control here in the Great White North.
If you're training to actually go to bad places, then I can agree. We do fight like we train.
 
When the army is not marching you A to B back to A so you can hurry up and wait, they are quoting regs and threatening jail time. All of which is far removed from common sense and amounts to someone's power trip. Sound like I've been there, done that? ;) LOL
 
I have a very blind eye and for some reason I never seen any non CF kit on weapons ;) and if i did I always forget about after my vault inspection.

My job is to keep the weapons working so you guys can stay alive NOT to give you s**t for painting handgaurds. Maybe one day when all the old timers retire we will get away from this old british thinking of if the queen issued it to you then it must be the best lol.
"sorry for the ramble"
 
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Beann said:
ZuluMike,

Point taken, BUT.....

If you let one thing go, then someone else goes "Hey, if thats okay, then I can do this..."

Sometimes, its a big case of P*nis Envy.

We could go on and on. Suffices to say you have your opinion and I have mine. I say keep some measure of control here in the Great White North.
If you're training to actually go to bad places, then I can agree. We do fight like we train.
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Long story short its the CO's decision what happens in the unit and ultimately he bears responsibility for discipline and the combat effectiveness in his unit. He weighs the advice his staff and experts give him and he makes a decision. So it goes all the way down the chain of command in the army, the experts with the opinions can like it or like it.

Despite some appearances there is not mass kit-anarchy in the Army these days just because there is a war on. CO's are generally trusting of what soldiers use in the field because he trusts the section commanders and the RSM who vet the stuff the guys use far before any wpns tech sees it. Sergeants know exactly who the "weapons experts" are in their section and whether they can be trusted to swap parts out etc.

BTW the days of being told when its time to start taking the Army seriously are over. If you are not training as if its time for war at any time stop wasting the tax payers money and look for another job.

Sometimes the FOB does suffer from being a combat fashion show but thats why the RSM gets the big bucks and the cooler office than the experts.
 
diamondcutter13 said:
Long story short its the CO's decision what happens in the unit and ultimately he bears responsibility for discipline and the combat effectiveness in his unit. He weighs the advice his staff and experts give him and he makes a decision. So it goes all the way down the chain of command in the army, the experts with the opinions can like it or like it.

Despite some appearances there is not mass kit-anarchy in the Army these days just because there is a war on. CO's are generally trusting of what soldiers use in the field because he trusts the section commanders and the RSM who vet the stuff the guys use far before any wpns tech sees it. Sergeants know exactly who the "weapons experts" are in their section and whether they can be trusted to swap parts out etc.

BTW the days of being told when its time to start taking the Army seriously are over. If you are not training as if its time for war at any time stop wasting the tax payers money and look for another job.

Sometimes the FOB does suffer from being a combat fashion show but thats why the RSM gets the big bucks and the cooler office than the experts.
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This is exactly why I condone it to the certain degree that I do (see one of my earlier posts on this topic here to explain). This way, I have a better chance of knowing exactly what's out there, and can avoid being surprised by it....It is a fundamental belief of mine that the CQ Staff and the Weapons Maint Shop need to have an intimate line of comms.....anything less means the stuff is not being serviced properly, or who knows what is being used.....in my own experience, when you have this comms system working well, you tend to have a better grip on what you do, which for me, is keep the fighting troops fighting equipment in fighting order......this of course, is just my personal view on it.....
 
My last kick at this cat... answer how you like in reply.

After almost 25 years and couple of tours, I've been around a bit (so has everyone else now too). If I felt like telling you where I work, I could say that I always work hard for the users and go the extra mile to ensure their kit is as good as it can be.

Trying to be the go between from "Ottawa", the Maintainers, and the "Battalion" while satisfying everyone is impossible. (This fun-fest here is an example) I've spent the time to try and explain how it works from my perspective.

As a user, if you don't like the kit and equipment, you are not doing yourself a favour by buying the needed kit. Use the system! Put in a UCR if something doesn't work or you need something to do a job. You guys should see the folks in Ottawa making decisions because they lack creditable input from those who use the equipment.

I have specific reasons for what I say here. I give a crap about what we have to give to the users. If you call me an old "Brit" for my attitude, don't worry long cause I'll be a civy in early 08. More money, no P.E.R.s to write, and whole lot less bull**it.

Always make your enemy die for his cause, not you for yours! Good luck and straight shooting, gents.
 
diamondcutter13 said:
Not sure if the NSN was on the released small arms update. A wpns tech could find it quicker than I could.

I was told specifically it would not be issued to "retro" upgrade C7A1s, only issued to units with the A2 models so reserves etc are SOL until they get the new one.


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By and large my whole unit is issued C7A2s so I will have to see if my wep tech has a NSN. Wonder if it will fit on my issued C8A2? The grip also looks fairly large and "clunky" I think I might prefer to do without the fold away capability in favor of something like a Tango Down ect...Then again I have'nt held the new grip so it's all spec on my part :D
 
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