Exactly!!! I'm sure this was'nt their 1st time taking game illegaly, Damn good they got caught. Penalities should have been more severe IMO.
Cameron man among eight fined $30,000 for poaching moose
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Exactly!!! I'm sure this was'nt their 1st time taking game illegaly, Damn good they got caught. Penalities should have been more severe IMO.
i was thinking of this lastnite when i read this thread ...if it was someone you knew up in that area....
you should go back up there
..might be a lot of cheap hunting stuff for sale in the town rag there now
This will probably stir the pot, but here goes:
I don't condone what happened here, but everyone is willing to throw the book at them.
I have to ask which is worse though, some Moose that were poached that probably filled the freezer for a few, or the DNR going out to a zone that has + cases of CWD with helecopters like they did on the Sask/Alta border and killing 1400 plus deer, add at least another 700 for spring fawns that would of been born, cutting heads off then digging pits to dispose of the carcases? That happened and where was the outrage. I believe 17 + cases were found in this particular cull. That's 0.012% and that's a problem that justifies killing that many deer? This is a zone I have hunted for years and was one of the best in Saskatchewan before they started all of this BS.
Are we that blind that because this was approved by government it's ok?
It sickens me.
I don't condone what happened here, but everyone is willing to throw the book at them.
I have to ask which is worse though, some Moose that were poached that probably filled the freezer for a few, or the DNR going out to a zone that has + cases of CWD with helecopters like they did on the Sask/Alta border and killing 1400 plus deer, add at least another 700 for spring fawns that would of been born, cutting heads off then digging pits to dispose of the carcases? That happened and where was the outrage. I believe 17 + cases were found in this particular cull. That's 0.012% and that's a problem that justifies killing that many deer? This is a zone I have hunted for years and was one of the best in Saskatchewan before they started all of this BS.
Are we that blind that because this was approved by government it's ok?
It sickens me.
i was thinking of this lastnite when i read this thread ...if it was someone you knew up in that area....
you should go back up there
LOL! Good idea Foggy. I will bet there may be a couple deals! What's new bro?
Dave.
Poaching is poaching is poaching, no two ways about it. I'm in Wainwright and know all about this cull, yeah I agree it was terrible how they dumped the carcasses into a pit.
They even offered a surplus # of tags to us hunters but obviously not enuf were filled to meet the requirement.
These guys took game illegaly, lied about it and more than likely did it b4.
They even offered a surplus # of tags to us hunters but obviously not enuf were filled to meet the requirement.
These guys took game illegaly, lied about it and more than likely did it b4.
Good for the %4@!&#holes!!! The "cull" out here has nothing to do with these guys poaching. With left-leaning judges, it takes an army to gather enough evidence to suit the requirements. Good on the game wardens! I hope the poachers spent a good pile on shyster lawyers, too.
It would be nice to think that hunters are all a bunch of responsible, law abiding sportsmen. However, there is some fraud in every sector of the population, I have even heard rumours that a politician somewhere took a bribe once. We have a Catch and Release Legal system. Compared to punishments for other crimes, these are serious. Also. I know two fellows who ran afowl of the game laws, and were caught. One shot at a plastic deer in a field beside the highway, and one broke the fishing regs. Both of these fellows are still sportsmen, and I have hunted with the plastic deer shooter, and I can tell you that the experience reformed him. None of us want to be convicted of anything, and hopefully a year or two of no hunting, and the memory of the shame and the penalty will have the desired effect on at least some of them. Maybe I am too optimistic, but I have seen it work once.
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Gross. Way to rape the word "Integrity" fellas.
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Amen good on the game wardens. However, the culprits still only got a slap on the wrist in my opinion.
Poaching is Poaching and you won't get an argument from me about bringing the full weight of the law down on the guilty. This could also bring up the topic of all the animals that are taken 5 minutes before of after legal shooting time that do get tagged. Technically that's poaching too. Do we really want to go down that road? I think not. I'd be willing to bet a lot of hunters couldn't say they have never done that before. That's an argument that would go on forever so we won't go there.
I am just simple stating that what was done by the DNR was uncalled for. Far more damage to the herds was done by that cull than any amount of uncaught poaching has been in that area. Plus the amount of game that was wasted would have anyone of us locked up and the key thrown away. It will take years to recover if it ever does.
To keep herds low they have even opened up more zones to more tags this year to keep the numbers down because they feel it's necessary. That's good for hunters I guess but the deer population is at an all time low in the area in question.
Like I said in my original post I'm glad people can get passionate about poachers, but it amazes me that the same people will sit back and see a herd get decimated in a cull that shouldn't have been done in the first place and think it's no big deal. That's our future hunting guys & gals.
Too small of herds is not good for any hunters IMO.
I love to hunt and will always love to hunt. I will say the last few years have not been as exciting because the population is just not there anymore. It's public land where I love to hunt & I've hunted all my life. No permission to worry about, just being outdoors enjoying yourself. That's what it's all about. Not this.
I am just simple stating that what was done by the DNR was uncalled for. Far more damage to the herds was done by that cull than any amount of uncaught poaching has been in that area. Plus the amount of game that was wasted would have anyone of us locked up and the key thrown away. It will take years to recover if it ever does.
To keep herds low they have even opened up more zones to more tags this year to keep the numbers down because they feel it's necessary. That's good for hunters I guess but the deer population is at an all time low in the area in question.
Like I said in my original post I'm glad people can get passionate about poachers, but it amazes me that the same people will sit back and see a herd get decimated in a cull that shouldn't have been done in the first place and think it's no big deal. That's our future hunting guys & gals.
Too small of herds is not good for any hunters IMO.
I love to hunt and will always love to hunt. I will say the last few years have not been as exciting because the population is just not there anymore. It's public land where I love to hunt & I've hunted all my life. No permission to worry about, just being outdoors enjoying yourself. That's what it's all about. Not this.
All in the name of conservation. How ironic.
The short answer is nothing.
I'm simply pointing out a double standard here. People want to see these poachers lynched and rightfully so, but when the government performs a cull that is not needed and wastes that much game there is no outrage. I don't think it's right. It hits home for me because this is an area that I hunt. If they found something in the Moose polulation and felt the need to wipe out the herd in an area you hunt in, it would probably hit home for you.
If they would have listened to us years ago & opened it up for Mule Deer more to help control the population, this cull probably would have not taken place. Instead of concentrating on Mule Deer they came in and wiped out everything.
Things like this are not good for any hunter.
It is only my opinion but I feel this is as bad as any amount of poaching, and it's legal in the governments eyes. I don't expect everyone to agree with me, but this is how I feel.
Hakx & I both noticed the lack of deer last fall because of the cull in WMU's 234 & 236.
But thank god we have veh's to go hunt other WMUs. Thankfully too they opened a "Landowners hunt" on the base which was a turkey shoot.
Getting back to the poachers, I had my own personal experience hunting with a poacher (unknown to me at the time). My wife had a gut feeling from the start. But he was a friend or so I thought, and $1500 bucks later for legal fees for me, he was found guilty and tried to pin the whole thing on me...some friend. He recieved over $3500 in fines + Legal fees + 2yrs pohibition from hunting. We have'nt talked since. So my feelings towards (all) poachers is FRY 'EM
I could've lost my truck, rifle etc....
Now I pick wisely and lucky for me I met up with Hakx. Unfortunatley I'll miss out this season as the only tags I'll be getting are for Taliban.
But thank god we have veh's to go hunt other WMUs. Thankfully too they opened a "Landowners hunt" on the base which was a turkey shoot.
Getting back to the poachers, I had my own personal experience hunting with a poacher (unknown to me at the time). My wife had a gut feeling from the start. But he was a friend or so I thought, and $1500 bucks later for legal fees for me, he was found guilty and tried to pin the whole thing on me...some friend. He recieved over $3500 in fines + Legal fees + 2yrs pohibition from hunting. We have'nt talked since. So my feelings towards (all) poachers is FRY 'EM
I could've lost my truck, rifle etc....
Now I pick wisely and lucky for me I met up with Hakx. Unfortunatley I'll miss out this season as the only tags I'll be getting are for Taliban.
Fair enough guys, like I said I'm not arguing about poaching. I just don't feel what the DNR was justified. I don't know what attitudes you guys have encountered since this cull happened being that your from the area, but I find there is a lot of "give a $hit attitudes" towards the ethics of hunting now. I walk almost exclusively and come across more than a few dead animals that I know have been just shot & left in a season. This attitude has a lot to do with what the DNR have done. I never call in to report any of my findings because quite frankly they don't care and I'm not about to ruin my time hunting waiting for them to show up so I can give a statement and probably have to prove I didn't do it. If they can bury over 1400 deer what's a couple more? They want all the deer gone out of these zones, end of story.
The DNR has helped create a generation of poachers IMO by doing this.
Be safe over seas. My hats off to you for that.
The DNR has helped create a generation of poachers IMO by doing this.
Be safe over seas. My hats off to you for that.
Does anyone else think that the monetary fine does less to prevent poaching than a more severe hunting license suspension?
I would say the punishment should be $2000 fine, automatic 10 year hunting license suspension....and loose your gun.
I would say the punishment should be $2000 fine, automatic 10 year hunting license suspension....and loose your gun.
