Can we set the record straight for Swiss Arms? CSC & TSE True of False?

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Yeah okay, I'm sorry nowarningshot. Complain and bash all you want but at least try and keep them legitimate? Reporters will always twist and cut and paste interviews to suit their narrative. Complaining about that article is grasping at straws.

I'm with Mr.Wolverine and the other business members who posted before him. Focus on the actual problem here, instead of continuously dragging this up OVER and OVER again. Especially at a time like this.
 
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Last name "cox" that explains it all....and I'll never shop there and tell everyone I know you caused this....I can't say what I wanna say cause I'll go pink....this makes me sick
 
fleabaggins said:
So to be accurate with this - when I enter calgaryshootingcentre.com into my web bar, it redirects to the Alberta Hunter Education Instructors Association (AHEIA) website. I am not sure where the info came from that it redirects to TSE. Can anyone who has had this happen comment on this?
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Someone at TSE changed that re-direct after I brought the issue up. I personally confirmed it when I made the post as I had not re-checked it since about a year or so ago when I found out about it; other CGN members knew about this already, others who did not tried it after reading about it and also confirmed that it was true prior to the malicious re-direct having been reprogrammed in an attempt to save face. I would not knowingly post a falsehood, I have a reputation to maintain about being honest! Check next year if they still own the domain name and still have it redirected to AHIEA, that will indicate ongoing malice. Why would a business pay to send traffic to AHIEA? They are in one manner a competitor because you can buy a membership with AHIEA and that suffices for your RPAL requirements with the CFO (hint: it’s way cheaper than other memberships)
 
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nowarningshot said:
Sorry, I don't see it that way.

If someone was misquoted as a one off, sure. This guy has been consistent. Owns several firearms businesses and apparently a fleet of buses to run us over. Gets no break from me.
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Consistent with willfully giving interviews to the biased media in order to purposefully paint firearms in a poor light and potentially harm his entire livelihood?

I'm sorry. I'm sure you are an intelligent individual, but that sounds incredibly idiotic.

I look forward to hopefully meeting you at the show this friday JR. I prefer to draw my own conclusions on a mans character in person as opposed to reading about it on the wild wild cgn west.
 
ThatM305Guy said:
Consistent with willfully giving interviews to the biased media in order to purposefully paint firearms in a poor light and potentially harm his entire livelihood?

I'm sorry. I'm sure you are an intelligent individual, but that sounds incredibly idiotic.

I look forward to hopefully meeting you at the show this friday JR. I prefer to draw my own conclusions on a mans character in person as opposed to reading about it on the wild wild cgn west.
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He involved the police to settle a competitive issue. Because another competitor had sourced Swiss rifles and he didn't like that, so he said those Swiss, not his Swiss, are full auto. His intent was not to hurt himself but to hurt his competitor. This was a business strategy.

The unintended consequence of that strategy, of involving the police, was a ban on all models of the Swiss. In choosing this misguided strategy he hurt himself (oh no!), his competitor (success!) and all Swiss rifles owners in Canada (ooops, my bad guys!)

That is what happened.
 
So many of these threads have been locked and deleted without me being able to post, let’s see if I can put this In Before The Lock.
 
The importation of the FAMAE 540 put the Swiss rifles back on the table by making the RCMP look at 540s and 550s. Prior to the application to import the firearms lab did not have samples of the 540 or the 550 in either FA or Semi. In order to confirm what the FAMAE rifles actually were samples of all 4 were purchased and any idiot can tell a 550 is not a 540 from across the room. Right or wrong JR kicked the hornets nest, at a time when we had a political party in power that gave a damn (if ever so small) about gun owners. The SA were getting reclassified once the first 540 and 550 arrived at the lab. The timeline was just at the discretion of the RCMP until they were forced to act, and acting cost them their ability to reclassify as they saw fit. At the end of the day the Swiss Arms are 550 variants, that SIG peddled as 540s to an uninformed (or just happy to get them) Canadian public.
 
I didn't like TSE before the owner decided to do what he did let alone after. I actively encourage everyone I can to boycott them. His apology was bull####, he is only sorry about the backlash he received...
 
This current mess with both the CZ and SAN rifles has more to do with RCMP firearms lab having a history of not doing there job more than anything else .The T 97 debacle that CanAm is another case RCMP screwing up. not keeping records and not even having a sample go thru the lab when Lever arms first brought them into the country.
 
SIG said they were 540 rifles, they lied. The RCMP and importer believed SIG who was lying. Then there was the nonsense of the refurbished, converted FA 550s being brought in and hawked as 540 rifles. Everyone that touched the Swiss Arms importation screwed up.

I guess blaming JR is easier than blaming everyone that touched the SA. God damn the 540 is not a 550, just ask a Swiss rifle shooter, but yup JR screwed us all, not SIG.
 
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SIG said they were 540 rifles, they lied. The RCMP and importer believed SIG who was lying. Then there was the nonsense of the refurbished, converted FA 550s being brought in and hawked as 540 rifles. Everyone that touched the Swiss Arms importation screwed up.

I guess blaming JR is easier than blaming everyone that touched the SA. God damn the 540 is not a 550, just ask a Swiss rifle shooter, but yup JR screwed us all, not SIG.
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Sig is not a retailer here.

Sig did not try to backstab a competitor, end up stabbing us and himself.

Sig did not volunteer info after Moncton on the M305, throwing those importers and owners under the bus. Trying to protect his Springfield M1A, seems a pattern here.

Sig did not buy his competitors web name, and redirect traffic from his site.....for years. Only recently did JR stop this, when he was called out. Definitely seems a pattern.

About the only retailer on this forum with a worse reputation and character....WAS....Marstar.

By the way JR is having a sale. There are about 5 posts, since most posts are negative and he keeps erasing them. Pretty sure there is a pattern here. Way to own it.
 
Gunnerlove said:
SIG said they were 540 rifles, they lied. The RCMP and importer believed SIG who was lying. Then there was the nonsense of the refurbished, converted FA 550s being brought in and hawked as 540 rifles. Everyone that touched the Swiss Arms importation screwed up.

I guess blaming JR is easier than blaming everyone that touched the SA. God damn the 540 is not a 550, just ask a Swiss rifle shooter, but yup JR screwed us all, not SIG.
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nowarningshot said:
Sig is not a retailer here.

Sig did not try to backstab a competitor, end up stabbing us and himself.

Sig did not volunteer info after Moncton on the M305, throwing those importers and owners under the bus. Trying to protect his Springfield M1A, seems a pattern here.

Sig did not buy his competitors web name, and redirect traffic from his site.....for years. Only recently did JR stop this, when he was called out. Definitely seems a pattern.

About the only retailer on this forum with a worse reputation and character....WAS....Marstar.

By the way JR is having a sale. There are about 5 posts, since most posts are negative and he keeps erasing them. Pretty sure there is a pattern here. Way to own it.
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TSE and Swiss Arms are both to blame for that. The previous owner of Swiss Arms actually put together a report for the RCMP (at the request of TSE, IIRC) stating that the 'Classic Green etc' was built for the Canadian market and developed separately from the SIG 550 and PE90. That was a complete lie, we ALL know the SIG 550's semi-auto variant is the PE90, and the Swiss Arms classic Green and family are an exact replica of the PE90 with a different name.

They knew this, TSE knew this and the RCMP even knew this. I've heard it a few times, I don't know how accurate it is... But when TSE called the RCMP the RC's told them NOT to push this or they'd have to open an investigation they didn't want. TSE insisted and now we're in this boat. Now that could be someone trying to brown nose the RCMP, but I doubt they wanted to start this storm.

It's the same deal with CZ, except more CZ's fault than the importer. CZ said they had thousands of un-finished full auto receivers they could build into rifles for us (part of the converted auto is it supposedly had to be a finished rifle) This was another pile of garbage, they maybe had some, but the overwhelming majority of those were re-welded full auto rifles they tried to sneak in under the rules. No company is going to waste their money on torching a receiver then take ANOTHER full auto receiver and re-weld it into a semi-auto. They'll reweld the full auto into semi and call it a day. It could have been a translation error or a "Suuuure, they'll never figure it out. Yuppers!"...
 
Gunnerlove said:
SIG said they were 540 rifles, they lied. The RCMP and importer believed SIG who was lying. Then there was the nonsense of the refurbished, converted FA 550s being brought in and hawked as 540 rifles. Everyone that touched the Swiss Arms importation screwed up.

I guess blaming JR is easier than blaming everyone that touched the SA. God damn the 540 is not a 550, just ask a Swiss rifle shooter, but yup JR screwed us all, not SIG.
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JR was the original importer of Swiss arms. He submitted the paperwork that got their initial NR status without an inspection many years ago.

I'm actually surprised that TSE is not in hot water with the rcmp for the initial submission of documents that were obviously doctored if claimed to be a 540.

Not sure why sig/sauer is even mentioned........
 
bush1 said:
Hey, panzerblaster and panzerdagen, you guys both ask the same question within a few hours of each other.

Are you guys related, by chance? Could you guys be shills for the other side? Just asking.:rolleyes:
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Nope. Just calls em like I sees em.

Panzerdagen said:
funny..... I didnt join only a few days ago though....

good eye though! I didnt even see that post from panzerblaster
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That would make two of us. High five Panzer!
 
F22_RaptoR said:
TSE and Swiss Arms are both to blame for that. The previous owner of Swiss Arms actually put together a report for the RCMP (at the request of TSE, IIRC) stating that the 'Classic Green etc' was built for the Canadian market and developed separately from the SIG 550 and PE90. That was a complete lie, we ALL know the SIG 550's semi-auto variant is the PE90, and the Swiss Arms classic Green and family are an exact replica of the PE90 with a different name.

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To be clear, Swiss Arms never produced any such report. It was generated by the complainant and submitted under his signature. Note that this "report" has never been made public, and has been kept carefully concealed from the public throughout this event.
 
Gunnerlove said:
SIG said they were 540 rifles, they lied. The RCMP and importer believed SIG who was lying. Then there was the nonsense of the refurbished, converted FA 550s being brought in and hawked as 540 rifles. Everyone that touched the Swiss Arms importation screwed up.

I guess blaming JR is easier than blaming everyone that touched the SA. God damn the 540 is not a 550, just ask a Swiss rifle shooter, but yup JR screwed us all, not SIG.
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The theory that there is plenty of blame to go around is fine and worthy. But if you subscribe to that theory you should at least be aware of the facts of what occurred to make an informed decision. Your post is absolutely wrong. And because people keep misinterpreting what occurred we were forced to build a page with all the documents pertaining to this issue. See here for details (and documentation): https://www.theshootingcentre.com/sans-overview
Please note, our rifles were refurbished by Swiss Arms. They were not converted autos, they were Classic Green rifles. Swiss Arms never suggested they were SG540 rifles, only that they were derived from them (which is true).
 
Class is what the shooting center is... it is the reason I have spent thousands upon thousands of dollars there, Just booked my sister in for her license and in a couple weeks when she passes she will be spending the same amount of money there. Love the guys behind the counter, ALL of them are so helpful and show no signs of pressure when it gets busy. And it does :)
 
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