Canada Wide Lead Shot Ban

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It has come to my attention tonight that in the near future a Canada wide lead shot ban maybe proposed. This means no manufacturing or importation of lead shot, no lead shot in Canada period.

In order to fight this before it is to late I need info that I can present why this would be detrimental to our shotgunning sports and that Canadians are not using lead for hunting waterfowl.

The accusation by environmentalists is that many Canadian hunters are still using lead shot for hunting here in Canada and the only way to stop the use of lead shot is to have it totally banned.

I will be having a lunch meeting in the next couple of weeks with my local CPC MP and need to present our side so this proposal is stopped before it gains anymore momentum.
 
Waterfowl hunting with lead shot is already banned. This has resulted in most Waterfowler's who owned pre-70's shotguns to buy a new shotguns as the older barrels are not approved for steel shot and the cost of other non-toxic shot is prohibitive. A new shotgun can be had for the price of about 20 boxes of non-toxic shot. The older guns are still useful for all other shotgunning with no environmental side effects.
This proposal is just one more in a long list removals of sporting uses for various types of guns. First we were told no full auto's and no handgun hunting, then restrict or ban this gun. The next step as was just shown in December is to seize and destroy all these guns because "These Weapons have no sporting purpose, they are just used to kill."
Let's stop giving in to politically correct, restrictions on those who obey the law and punish those who refuse to comply, the CRIMINALS.

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lead shot is toxic

1.1/8 oz every time someone pull the trigger
1 lbs every box
how many boxes you shot avery year ?

minimum 300 000 hunters in canada

how many ponds of leed are "shoot" every year ?

and you are probably still trying to reduce pollution.

lead ban, its not a problem, we will use steelshot, i already use steelshot for hunting.
 
Well hello Wendy! At last we know your login ID!

Let me ask YOU something - where does lead come from? Oh yeah! The Environment! DUH...

The problem with lead shot is ducks EATING it as gillet grit. Since lead is not used on waterfowl, most lead gets shot into the ground inertly. NOx and SO2 is toxic too ya know - maybe you should ban cars? Radiation is toxic - perhaps Chemotherapy should be outlawed?
 
So much for being able to shoot my antique (muzzleloader) shotgun ...

That sucks, but maybe you can use a sabbot , like folks use for bullets in muzzle loaders. Not sure if this is even poss. but worth looking into.
Frank
 
itir_du12 said:
lead shot is toxic

1.1/8 oz every time someone pull the trigger
1 lbs every box
how many boxes you shot avery year ?

minimum 300 000 hunters in canada

how many ponds of leed are "shoot" every year ?

and you are probably still trying to reduce pollution.

lead ban, its not a problem, we will use steelshot, i already use steelshot for hunting.
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I certainly hope you dont use lead bullets in your handguns and rifles...
 
I'm going to start stocking up now!!

Can you imagine hunting turkeys with steel??? They'll stand there and laugh at you!

Lead rules!!
 
Camp Cook said:
It has come to my attention tonight that in the near future a Canada wide lead shot ban maybe proposed. This means no manufacturing or importation of lead shot, no lead shot in Canada period.

In order to fight this before it is to late I need info that I can present why this would be detrimental to our shotgunning sports and that Canadians are not using lead for hunting waterfowl.

The accusation by environmentalists is that many Canadian hunters are still using lead shot for hunting here in Canada and the only way to stop the use of lead shot is to have it totally banned.
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Can you back this up or did you make it up?

Can you provide a statement from a government or even a credible environmental organization that a complete ban on the manufacturing and importation of lead shot in Canada is under consideration or even being proposed?

Until you can prove it this is just another "my brother's best friend's third cousin on this mother's side was told by the sister of the secretary to a a very secret squirrel that the sky was going to fall." :rolleyes:
 
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that sounds like quite the extreme... its like the seal hunt issue, hunters are in humanely whacking them over the head /w a club, lets ban clubs.... when 99% don't hunt seals that way....

a lead ban would totally suck for those of us that shoot a lot of trap/skeet, would definately rethink buying another nice O/U, if this were true... i hope its not
 
I guess more people will start reloading their shotshells... there's no way they can ban the importation of 'lead ball bearing' ain't it? :D
 
I cant see how a ban on lead shot is feasible. A round of trap or sporting clays just doubled in price due to ammo costs. Heck to they even make 7 1/2 in steel?
 
Claybuster I can give evidence but cannot give this info openly on the site yet. I have PM'ed you the info though and would appreciate it if you can keep it confidential for now.

Guys I need help on this so instead of just discussing that this might happen help me to get the info that I need to stop this proposed ban before it starts.
 
so Camp, what kinda info are you looking for, for your fight??? without spilling too much info...

but i can tell you that if such a ban does occur it will severely affect the shotgun sporting games.... compared to the impacts on hunting...
 
This is a very hard argument to defend against people who have no background in shooting and don't understand hunting. I was going to write a paper to defend the use of lead shot for hunting waterfowl for school, but I found it very hard to defend. Lead poisoning is an issue with waterfowl. However, most of the research used to support the lead shot ban came from shooting over soft bottomed marshes where ducks can easily ingest the shot when feeding. I think the ban should have been kept to within 200 meters of water like when it was first introduced. Waterfowl are much less likely to pick up lead shot on a dry field.

The main problem is that lead is a superior shot to steel, the closest affordable alternative. I hate crippling birds and I am sure any waterfowlers on this site can agree with me that their cripple rates have increased with using steel. The newer high speed loads are definitley helping that issue, but it still is not the same. Sure there are others just as good as lead like tungsten, bismuth etc., but who can afford to shoot much of that. That's the problem when trying to convince someone to not ban lead. Lead is proven toxic and there are non-toxic types of shot available making it very hard to defend the use of lead.

I haven't heard anything about a Canada-wide ban on lead shot. Although I wouldn't be surprised if were in the works. I see Gamebore is making steel trap loads now. If their accusation is that hunters are still using lead, I would call bull####. I haven't heard of a single case of someone being caught with lead shot while hunting migratory birds, not that some might but I'm confident most hunters obey the regulations. Birds are still getting posioned and that's probably where the thinking that hunters are still using lead comes from. Just remind them that just because lead is not used now, it doesn't mean lead from 15 years ago still can't be poisoning birds.

Hopefully this news isn't true. The shooting sports sure don't need to take anymore hits.
 
i guess the thing is lead has been banned for waterfowls for many years now... but for those that insist on using it ... even if you ban lead shot, they can still make their own from lead ingots/fish weights/tire weights/etc....

you'd have to start banning lead moulds etc. as well.... i think ... the proper way would be stiffer penalties to those that hunt waterfowl /w lead
 
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Now this is the sort of discussion that I need and it took a new guy from Kamloops to start the ball rolling.

FM thank you for getting involved and welcome to the site.
 
Thanks Camp Cook for the welcome to the site, it really looks like a great site with lots of good information.

I would maybe suggest trying to dig up some information from some of the European countries that have already imposed total lead shot bans. See if you can find the arguments used by both sides. I am fairly certain Denmark, Sweeden and the Netherlands have total bans in place.

As well check out the Canadian Wildlife Service website. Most of the reports etc. used to back up decisions like this would be found there. http://www.cws-scf.ec.gc.ca/theme.cfm?lang=e&category=6

I see you are from BC as well. Be careful of the swan situation. I know that lead poisoning in swans is a hot topic right now in the lower mainland. They don't know where the lead is coming from and I'm sure they would love to pin it on the shooting crowd. Once again remeber old lead can still kill and the border is close in that area so the swans could've picked it up in the states (but they have a steel ban too).

When you talk to whoever, make sure you make it clear that hunters/shooters don't want to kill birds unnecessarily. A lot of people think that we don't care about the birds we hunt.

Let us know when you get any more information on this proposal. I would like to help and I am sure others would. A lead shot ban could kill shotguning in Canada.
 
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