Canada Wide Lead Shot Ban

I want to thank those that have pm'ed me with or posted positive information. I have already forwarded much of this information to others that are working with me at this time.

Thanks again for the help, I am finally getting information that can be used.
 
Camp Cook said:
I want to thank those that have pm'ed me with or posted positive information. I have already forwarded much of this information to others that are working with me at this time.

Thanks again for the help, I am finally getting information that can be used.
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Jeez, you make it sound like this forum is the only place in the world to get information, and that we've been holding out on you or something.:rolleyes:

Anyhow, why is it that the ANTIS always try to take the moral high ground (ie the environmental issues) but at the end of the day, still get in their car and drive home to a natural-gas heated home, maybe stop at Macdonalds on the way, crack open a cold aluminum can of beer from the (electric) fridge, and turn on the tv? Then they sit back in the recliner feeling so smug and satisfied, and so politically aware. What hypocrites. :mad:
 
Sorry for any misconceptions that some maybe having here but the main source of info that I gathered yesterday unfortunately didn't come from this site. I had many excellent responses from our nieghbours to the south on other sites that wanted to help whereas I have had an amazing group of negative people at this site.

No wonder Canada has such a splintered firearms lobby.

Many here want to fight about or argue that this couldn't happen instead of taking the same amount of time and post info that could be helpful.

I'm finally really understanding how Windy and her croanies have been able to fight against firearms owners so well for so long. :(
 
Camp Cook said:
No wonder Canada has such a splintered firearms lobby.

Many here want to fight about or argue that this couldn't happen instead of taking the same amount of time and post info that could be helpful.

I'm finally really understanding how Windy and her croanies have been able to fight against firearms owners so well for so long. :(
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Well one of those ways is that we run scattered off in all directions just because someone posts an unsubstantiated rumour on the site.

I'll believe you when you put up some proof either here or in a PM. You haven't done either. So stop pissing and moaning about the lack of support you're getting. Put up or shut up.
 
Claybuster said:
Well one of those ways is that we run scattered off in all directions just because someone posts an unsubstantiated rumour on the site.

I'll believe you when you put up some proof either here or in a PM. You haven't done either. So stop pissing and moaning about the lack of support you're getting. Put up or shut up.
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X2.

Well said Claybuster.

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D00d, you came in here and stated that you have caught wind of a secret, but that you cannot divulge ANY information at this time. In order to better assist, and in a most productive manner, we would require as much information as possible. Provided information is simply heresay. Negativity?? NEGATIVITY!?!?! Man, this is NOT negativity, this is simply questioning your reasoning behind something that until I read this post, was not only unheard of, but ALMOST inconceivable (I say almost, because stranger things have happened). What you have been asking for may be considered by some as lax information, perhaps even counter-productive. I ask again, how are we to assist you without pertinent information regarding the cause/issue...the 5 W's man...essential in order to move forward. I am sorry, but I have practiced on occasion telepathy, to no avail. I thought I bent a spoon once with my mind, but then recalled that I found it in the cupboard that way. I CANNOT read your mind, and therefore, I cannot provide you with assistance. To start spewing arguments when we don't even know whom is the target audience is moot.

Sooo, if you want to start dishing trash regarding firearms owners in Canada, and their negativity, I suggest you sit back and think about whats happening here. You have provided us with 0 info, but a possible idea pending. What else do I know about this at this point??? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. Nowhere on the web have I been able to find ANYTHING confirming your rumour, nor have you provided sufficient information to back your claim. I now leave this thread, as your naive mannerisms have done nothing to encourage providing "support" to yourself or your select few. Good luck in fighting the Holy war that you lead a few good men into...
 
I am involved at the source of the information it has not gone to the web or anywhere else yet.

I have been asked by the CPC MP that wants to propose this ban and whom I am working directly with to come up with an opposing arguement against it.

At the MP's request I will not give more information than this at this time.

So now that I have shared a little more would it be possible for all of you shotgun shooters that use lead and are going to be affected far more than I ever will be to contribute and offer constructive information so that it can be used if possible to prevent this proposal from gaining anymore monentum than it has already?

If you are unable to contribute I will understand and use the information that has come to me from sources that are willing to share their knowledge.
 
Camp Cook said:
I have been asked by the CPC MP that wants to propose this ban and whom I am working directly with to come up with an opposing arguement against it.
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K, am I missing something here? I mean, the MP that wants to propose this ban, is the same individual that wants you to compose a rebuttal(s)??? How does this make sense? Is he/she attempting to make positive coverage of all angles, and therefore, asking you to come to this online firearms community to find what types of challenges he/she may face in other's attempts at destroying the propostions validity? I have read your statement over and over again to ensure that I am not in fact reading it wrong...and now, I am just totally confused...

I am stepping back in this thread to see if I can make any sense out of this...AGAIN.

Ahhh, ok, so you and this MP are buddy buddy and/or work very closely and he/she wants you to try to convince them otherwise? They want you to provide to them a valid enough argument to turn them off of tabling such a proposition, is that it?
 
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lol it seems like alot of you guys need to start looking around more at the local hunting shops. everyone is talking about lead vs steel :rolleyes:

am i the only one who has heard of bismuth, tungsten, tungsten-iron, hevi-shot, etc?

steel works fine for bustin clay birds. hevi shot works better than lead.
 
ur are right, its expensive
it may kill the industrie

valcartier gun club, at quebec
they banned lead-shot at the range, you have to use steelshot. its still the best one.
 
canadian hunter312 said:
lol it seems like alot of you guys need to start looking around more at the local hunting shops. everyone is talking about lead vs steel :rolleyes:
am i the only one who has heard of bismuth, tungsten, tungsten-iron, hevi-shot, etc?

steel works fine for bustin clay birds. hevi shot works better than lead.
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Hunting migratory birds with steel is a given nowadays, or we can use the other alternatives. Don't be silly, we all know this already. :p

But you are a very fortunate person indeed, if you can afford to shoot 10 rounds of trap at 25.00 a round using bismuth or some of the others.

And then what will a lot of target shooters do with their older shotguns, that cannot handle steel shot?

Shotguns are not just used for hunting, ya know!
 
Judson lake resident eviros acting up again?
Seeing as its private maybe the res would pay strata like for lake reclamation.

Maybe all the leaded drainage pipes and septic could have had something to do with the current lake status.


Hmmm, weren't trumpeters almost extinct? Wasn't it the guy up by Bella Coola sponsored by the Wildlife Dept that revived the swan population?
 
popcan, i know that shotguns arent used for hunting only "Don't be silly, we all know this already." :p

im a cheap ass and wouldnt like spending the extra cash anymore than the rest of you but if i had to i would just shutup and do it. i care more about the health of the enviroment than saving a few bucks. everyone knows how bad lead really is for you.

alot of serious clay busters are into reloading yet they will be the ones who whine the most even though they can reload the non tox stuff for likely half the price.
 
canadian hunter312 said:
alot of serious clay busters are into reloading yet they will be the ones who whine the most even though they can reload the non tox stuff for likely half the price.
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All this does is show you know the sum total of sweet f**k all about lead, migration of metals into water tables, where the real risk of lead contamination comes from (it's not shot at the clubs), the shotguns frequently used for clay targets and reloading shotshells. :rolleyes:
 
i have no idea how much lead is put into the enviroment each year by shooters and fisherman but it has to be alot. you simply cant rule out lead from these sources as a source for contaminating water or soil.

if you look on any fishing/shooting site where this has been brought up you will likely see the first thing people mentioning is the cost of using non toxic.

guess i just have a different point of view because i dont put money before health...
 
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