Canadian Army to acquire semi-automatic sniper weapon

I think SIG might be in a good position on this contract with this;

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http://www.recoilweb.com/recoil-exclusive-sig-sauer-csass-the-mcx-mr-65405.html

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There is something to be said for reducing the OAL of battlefield rifles. Not every vehicle, helo or airplane can take a weapons "system" the length of cross country skiis. (There was a Canadian casualty in caused by the C6 MG firing inside a very cramped Mercedes G-Wagon.)
 
A Master Sniper friend quote " Barret .50 is not a sniper rifle". Haven't seen them at the Sniper Concentration or elsewhere.
Regarding steel cartridge cases, this is irrelevant, as they would never be used. Currently, DND uses General Dynamics-made .308 Win.
 
I have a question more then a suggestion

why not use the FN FAL. with today CNC capabilities they could be made with tighter tolerances. Don't we still have these in the Cdn armoury

Thanks
Trevor
 
I have a question more then a suggestion

why not use the FN FAL. with today CNC capabilities they could be made with tighter tolerances. Don't we still have these in the Cdn armoury

Thanks
Trevor

Nope, don't think so, Heritage offered a bunch up for display in 2014, sure indication that they were destroying them.
 
Contracts start with RFPs in which the bidder has to meet mandatory specifications of requirement, then it goes to price.

FN looks nice!
 
Contracts start with RFPs in which the bidder has to meet mandatory specifications of requirement, then it goes to price.

FN looks nice!
 
That's called the Mk20 SSR.

It is 7.62 and gas-operated. Other than that, it has nothing in common with the FAL.

Besides the fact that most of the FNC1s have been scrapped and nobody but DSA builds new FALs, the main downside of the FAL is that it just doesn't have the accuracy potential of some of the newer designs.
 
I think SIG might be in a good position on this contract with this;...

But as everyone knows there are so many guns that fill this roll now thanks to so many companies on the market it could even end up going to Remington with there military line-up of 308 AR's.

http://www.remingtonmilitary.com/Firearms/Sniper Rifles/RSASS.aspx

I would think that SIG would enter their 716 DMR G2 . It's a piston system and accuracy is said to be sub .5 moa. Back a ways it appeared that SIG had won a Canadian contract, although other sources quoted LMT as the winner. That being said.... The Czech Army cancelled a SIG 716 DMR order in 2014 after they found that the barrel life was not what was claimed along with a high break down rate. They had ordered 238 guns and cancelled this.

I would actually hope that Remington would enter something based of their GII AR308 instead. It's currently sold as a DPMS GII but it's Remington. With a 16" medium heavy SS barrel you can hit 8 pounds with a modern handguard. Remington also now markets the GII as the R-25 GII with the slogan "The ultimate modern hunting rifle". It's 7.5 to 8 pounds with a 20" SS fluted medium contour barrel.

The LMT is a great rifle. But it is heavy. These are DM rifles not carbines but... weight is a concern, especially since some of these competitions have weight requirements that are very tight for a regular AR308 rifle. The HK G28, I don't think it's as accurate as a DI such as KAC, or LMT but... it's accurate enough and reliability is said to be excellent. Especially in sandy environments. Likely this is what won over the American contract.

I wouldn't rule Armalite out of this either. Their SASS ran against the KAC in the previous American contract competition. Some have stated it won, but Armalite didn't have the security for their facility that was mandated. I don't know if that's garbage or not. I do however know that the original and very heavy Canadian AR10T (DND) with the 24" Lothar Walther barrels 1:11.25 twist are tack drivers. Heavy as heck, especially with the badger ordnance handguard, but they really do shoot exceptionally.

The FN Scar 17 may also be a contender.

Always interesting to see what's on the table and who wins.

Personally, I think Remington has to bring a GII to the table. Then it will get really interesting. If nothing else, I'd like to see how it does!
 
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I would think that SIG would enter their 716 DMR G2 . It's a piston system and accuracy is said to be sub .5 moa. Back a ways it appeared that SIG had won a Canadian contract, although other sources quoted LMT as the winner. That being said.... The Czech Army cancelled a SIG 716 DMR order in 2014 after they found that the barrel life was not what was claimed along with a high break down rate. They had ordered 238 guns and cancelled this.

I would actually hope that Remington would enter something based of their GII AR308 instead. It's currently sold as a DPMS GII but it's Remington. With a 16" medium heavy SS barrel you can hit 8 pounds with a modern handguard. Remington also now markets the GII as the R-25 GII with the slogan "The ultimate modern hunting rifle". It's 7.5 to 8 pounds with a 20" SS fluted medium contour barrel.

The LMT is a great rifle. But it is heavy. These are DM rifles not carbines but... weight is a concern, especially since some of these competitions have weight requirements that are very tight for a regular AR308 rifle. The HK G28, I don't think it's as accurate as a DI such as KAC, or LMT but... it's accurate enough and reliability is said to be excellent. Especially in sandy environments. Likely this is what won over the American contract.

I wouldn't rule Armalite out of this either. Their SASS ran against the KAC in the previous American contract competition. Some have stated it won, but Armalite didn't have the security for their facility that was mandated. I don't know if that's garbage or not. I do however know that the original and very heavy Canadian AR10T (DND) with the 24" Lothar Walther barrels 1:11.25 twist are tack drivers. Heavy as heck, especially with the badger ordnance handguard, but they really do shoot exceptionally.

The FN Scar 17 may also be a contender.

Always interesting to see what's on the table and who wins.

Personally, I think Remington has to bring a GII to the table. Then it will get really interesting. If nothing else, I'd like to see how it does!

Very good post!
 
The Irish defense force uses the FN FAL as a sniper weapon system but...it is simply lipstick on a pig, the Irish snipers hate it and it is not accurate. it briefs well but simply doesn't work.

As for the AR10's in Afghanistan, I didn't have any issues with them but there are better options out there now.
 
What's funny is that anyone here could put together an AR10 based package for less then $2500.
How much will the government contract version cost? Ten grand?
 
The Irish defense force uses the FN FAL as a sniper weapon system but...it is simply lipstick on a pig, the Irish snipers hate it and it is not accurate. it briefs well but simply doesn't work.

As for the AR10's in Afghanistan, I didn't have any issues with them but there are better options out there now.

I always like hearing from those who used the Armalite AR10T. Thank you for posting!

I suspect a lot of the reported issues were when the Gen1 mag ie converted M14 mags were initially used. The Gen2 mag came out in 2006 if I remember correctly. I have a couple of these rifles and have been the owner of 3 of them. No reliability issues, but I'm not putting many rounds through them. Accuracy with 175 smk reload using Varget has been pretty stellar.

I've also had a couple people who used these rifles in Afghanistan pm me asking where to get one. I've been told they liked them for their accuracy. Never heard of any reliability problems and if they were trouble prone then I doubt they would be wanting one for themselves.

I do agree there are better options out there for the purpose. But as a repurposed civilian target rifle.... :d

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The bottom one now has the same black A2 stock with the Accuracy speaks adjustable butt pad as the top one. Also I changed the grip to an Ergo 2. Badger latch also added along with the correct backup sites. The top one was one of the 6 prototypes from Wolverine. The bottom one was a bring back upper. I removed the camo from it using Acetone. I was hesitant to do this but.. it looked bad with a black lower and I wasn't going to rattle can a new lower. The handguard is heavy as heck but it sure is nice to use off a front bag rest. Very stable. For target shooting the weight of this rifle isn't an issue.

What's funny is that anyone here could put together an AR10 based package for less then $2500.
How much will the government contract version cost? Ten grand?

The 18 Canadian purchased Armalite AR10T rifles came with GG&G backup sights, and a S&B scope, accuracy speaks adjustable butt pad for the A2 stock, and a harris bipod. Along with the done up AR10. $2500? I don't think so. Even back then, the scope alone was more than that.

Very good post!

Thank you!

Who did you talk to? Never heard that before.

Out oh, tjhaile is getting called out hard by a few interesting posters! It's about to get real!!
 
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Why?

By everyone I talked to they were junk and universally hated.

Shawn

I will tell with 100% certainty, they were not universally hated. I would take one in a heart beat. There are probably better options out there, but the AR-10T did its job. And did it accurately. As stated else where in the thread there were some common stoppages but it was due to a bunch of ####ty mags. And as far as being heavy, it was alot lighter than packing a c8 and a a c-14 and ammo for both.
 
I have a question more then a suggestion

why not use the FN FAL. with today CNC capabilities they could be made with tighter tolerances. Don't we still have these in the Cdn armoury

Thanks
Trevor

The FN FAL suffers from an unacceptable weakness compared to just about every other design. It was designed in the 1950s to be easy to open and to clean. What sane rifle designer would choose to put a hinge in the middle of a precision rifle and put the sights on different halves?

The second problem is it has been unsupported on the new production market for easily three decades. Just like the No.4 Lee Enfields used by the Rangers. Sure DSA make them in the US, but they had to reverse engineer and reengineer another variant that would be compatible with the tides of surplus parts sloshing into the Disgruntled States of America. Their rifles are technically a copy of the original, just like Norinco's M14s. Not to mention, Canada destroyed its FN C1 stocks after the C7s were fully introduced. So, nope. Not gonna happen.
 
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