Canadian Made Swiss Arms AR Lower

dizzy said:
Thanks for posting the pic Kampfhamster, and identifying the source. Looks like SAN, is listening to clients, finally. Did you ask when they will be shipping? Is see they called it US which is why I didn't think it was factory, as the original 55x's are no longer shipped to U.S (due to US law)., would have thought they would have called it NATO instead of US
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I have no idea. I haven't really gone into details since I'm not all that much interested in such a receiver. In fact, it will be a cold day in hell before I start using AR15-magazines in any of my SAN-rifles.

Hopefully I can have a go at one of those sometime soon and tell you guy how good it is.
 
Miltiades said:
I have two 5-round SAN mags, made in April 1996 (the dates are moulded in the base plates) and no holes on the body. I also have five 30/5 round mags made between 1990 and 2001 and none has any holes cut out either. I would guess that the modified SAN mags with the holes cut out must be more recent manufacture, perhaps to satisfy the German market, as suggested. Cutting a hole will more likely compromise durability because it creates stress point particularly at the corners, more so if they are cut out after forming the mag rather than incorporating the hole in the mould.
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I tend to agree with you. I do have a couple of 20/5's with the cracks as well but not those holes. Also of more recent manufacture. ANd the 20/5's don't actually have then SIG mark on them so who know who actually made them. THe Dominion mags are marked as such and don't have cracks. Just a bad batch I'm guessing bc none of the other mags are experiencing any dificulty.
 
Kampfhamster said:
I have no idea. I haven't really gone into details since I'm not all that much interested in such a receiver. In fact, it will be a cold day in hell before I start using AR15-magazines in any of my SAN-rifles. Hopefully I can have a go at one of those sometime soon and tell you guy how good it is.
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Yes but you don't have the magazine capacity restrictions we have. If I could legally use 30 rounds mags in a SAN rifle I wouldn't bother with AR mags either. (10 round AR pistol mags vs 5 round SAN mags) :(
 
The SAN receiver is nice but three very important questions still remain:

IF ?

When ?

How much ?

The last question can all but be ignored. I would imagine that one could buy a complete rifle with the AR receiver for similar/same money as the standard lower. Buying the AR lower as an add-on will cost a few coins but when dealing with $3000 rifles, $300 cheek pieces, $800 B&T forearm rails, etc, it would have to be priced astronomically high to matter.

So it comes down to IF and WHEN. Until we know more, we can buy the NEA lowers or keep dreaming and saving our pennies.
 
Kampfhamster said:
Picture was taken at the IWA gunshow in Nürnburg this weekend.

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55X-lower for AR15-Mags, made by Swiss Arms.
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I like this a lot. Surprised they didn't do a milled winter trigger guard like ATRS did with their billet AR lowers.

That said, I have no doubt that NEA can bring their own version of the above lower to market at least a full year or two sooner than SAN and at 1/4 the price. I like the adaptability of using AR accessories/stocks, but there is something to be said of the pure esthetic appeal of the original Swiss Arms folding stocks.

Honestly, I'm such a hardcore Swiss Arms fan, I'll probably buy both versions, but I'd prefer to buy Canadian for the above style lower as well. :)
 
beltfed said:
What should have been is.
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The Swiss disagree, i spent an hour with the VP of sales. We are in talks to supply them our model. They loved it, and said so.

I took several meetings with SF groups who all said the same thing. They want AR stocks and mags on their guns.
 
I agree with many people that the look of the swiss folder is very pleasing to the eye. It is a natural fit as it was designed for the rifle, but what NEA is saying makes perfect sense. Those who run their rifles in combat situations want to be able to use one of the most common magazines in the world and some of the most versatile stocks in the world. I'm sure they want sopmods with storage compartments and adjustable lop and all the different offerings that are available with AR stocks.

In the end I say great work NEA. You guys are true innovators. Keep the good stuff rolling in.
 
I don't understand how you guys don't see that it is MORE versatile to design the lower to accept the original stock!

After that you can design an adapter for the AR stock. Not only would you make more money selling the adapter and lower as a pair, but it gives people the option to use their current stocks without going out an spending more money! You also retain the folding capability while using the AR stock.

With the current NEA lower I am limited to a fixed non-folding AR15 stock.

With the SAN lower, I can use ANY Swiss stock (collapsible, fixed, sniper), I can throw an adapter on there (DDLES, SAN etc) and use ANY AR stock, AND I can still fold all of these stocks for ease of transport and storage! There is no down side.
 
+1
Having the ability to fold is and has always been the major advantage of the SG platform.

angryeyebrows said:
I don't understand how you guys don't see that it is MORE versatile to design the lower to accept the original stock!

After that you can design an adapter for the AR stock. Not only would you make more money selling the adapter and lower as a pair, but it gives people the option to use their current stocks without going out an spending more money! You also retain the folding capability while using the AR stock.

With the current NEA lower I am limited to a fixed non-folding AR15 stock.

With the SAN lower, I can use ANY Swiss stock (collapsible, fixed, sniper), I can throw an adapter on there (DDLES, SAN etc) and use ANY AR stock, AND I can still fold all of these stocks for ease of transport and storage! There is no down side.
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Scarheart said:
I tend to agree with you. I do have a couple of 20/5's with the cracks as well but not those holes. Also of more recent manufacture. ANd the 20/5's don't actually have then SIG mark on them so who know who actually made them. THe Dominion mags are marked as such and don't have cracks. Just a bad batch I'm guessing bc none of the other mags are experiencing any dificulty.
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I checked with my Swiss friend who has been issued a "sniper" version SAN and he asked the factory: if the mags don't have the SIG letters moulded on them, they are NOT Sig manufactured or Sig outsourced to another manufacturer. My buddy claims that there have been "unauthorized" copies made to either undercut the original or to by-pass export laws or both. So, indeed, who knows who made the cracked but not holed mags for the SAN.
 
angryeyebrows said:
I don't understand how you guys don't see that it is MORE versatile to design the lower to accept the original stock!

After that you can design an adapter for the AR stock. Not only would you make more money selling the adapter and lower as a pair, but it gives people the option to use their current stocks without going out an spending more money! You also retain the folding capability while using the AR stock.

With the current NEA lower I am limited to a fixed non-folding AR15 stock.

With the SAN lower, I can use ANY Swiss stock (collapsible, fixed, sniper), I can throw an adapter on there (DDLES, SAN etc) and use ANY AR stock, AND I can still fold all of these stocks for ease of transport and storage! There is no down side.
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Bingo Wings
 
angryeyebrows said:
With the SAN lower, I can use ANY Swiss stock (collapsible, fixed, sniper), I can throw an adapter on there (DDLES, SAN etc) and use ANY AR stock, AND I can still fold all of these stocks for ease of transport and storage! There is no down side.
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For the civilian market, you might be right. But for mil/leo market, what you propose is another layer of difficulty, another item to be installed by an armorer etc......... The only time the stock is folded is during travel and storage........

One of the tac teams that will be testing our lower said that the current length of pull forces them to kick doors with the stock folded because armor makes the length of pull to long for all but the 6'+ monsters on the team.

For the coming decade, the companies who are going to do well are going to do so by delivering a simple high quality product at the best price. Thats what NEA does well, in Canada with Canadian labor.
 
North Eastern Arms said:
For the civilian market, you might be right. But for mil/leo market, what you propose is another layer of difficulty, another item to be installed by an armorer etc......... The only time the stock is folded is during travel and storage........

One of the tac teams that will be testing our lower said that the current length of pull forces them to kick doors with the stock folded because armor makes the length of pull to long for all but the 6'+ monsters on the team.

For the coming decade, the companies who are going to do well are going to do so by delivering a simple high quality product at the best price. Thats what NEA does well, in Canada with Canadian labor.
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Is there any quality high res pics of your lowers anywhere? I would sure like to see one in detail.
 
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