Canadian Manufactured 7.62 x 51 Semi Auto
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Lets go back to the Original Question without all the addendum's.
I believe that If you build it, and it is quality and cost efficient, Then We will buy it.
Your parts list looks top notch. I would love to see a Canadian Maple leaf on some Non-res Black rifles in any caliber.
I would say that you have both our support and our wishes of good luck.
Keep us in the loop, and let us know your specs and looks.
CBMS
Lets go back to the Original Question without all the addendum's.
I believe that If you build it, and it is quality and cost efficient, Then We will buy it.
Your parts list looks top notch. I would love to see a Canadian Maple leaf on some Non-res Black rifles in any caliber.
I would say that you have both our support and our wishes of good luck.
Keep us in the loop, and let us know your specs and looks.
CBMS
Nope, the AR16 is basically a .308 AR18. It could be dinged as an AR18 variant, but unlikely, as it clearly came first. Change it around a bit and just make an AR180B in .308.
All the current cutting edge battle rifles such as SCAR-H, MAGPUL Massoud and HK 417 are based on Aluminum extrusion tube or forging.
The reason for a multi-lug barrel extension system is to allow the use of light weight materials for the receiver - such as aluminum.
If you are just plugging in an AR18 bolt carrier and the multi-lug barrel extension system, there is no point whatsoever to make the receiver out of steel. The reason M14 and FN need a steel reciever is that the bolt locks up on the receiver.
There is no justification of using steel in the architecture you are proposing, other than making it heavy.
If you look at the "envelop" of you proposed architecture, just use the G36 as reference and scale it up.
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Look how excited we all get over someone even suggesting that a Can made big bore black rifle may be in the works (not bloody likely).
Wasn't Kyle Precision Arms supposed to be working on one somewhere down the road? What is the status of KPA? I see they have their rails on the web site now?
Thank you
OK, that is plenty of input and I have a really good idea what the main criteria are.
One last note on the use of aluminum or plastic for the receiver. The reason that I want a steel receiver has many layers to it. An extra pound on a 7.62x51 on the receiver can be reduced elswhere with aluminum or plastic.
Also, as for the comments on other 7.62x51mm rifles sourced from the US like the Robarm...I have had correspondence with the DOS and in the future it looks like a DSP-83 (Google it) may be required. This would mean each individual Canadian purchaser would have to sign one of these and it is also possible that the only way you may be able to get one of these rifles in the future is to import it yourself because they may not accept a DSP-83 from a Canadian Dealer. This is one of the main reasons I am considering this.
That and I too would love to see a maple leaf on a real combat rifle. Ahh-Ru-Ahh!!
Will keep you all posted.
Severus.
OK, that is plenty of input and I have a really good idea what the main criteria are.
One last note on the use of aluminum or plastic for the receiver. The reason that I want a steel receiver has many layers to it. An extra pound on a 7.62x51 on the receiver can be reduced elswhere with aluminum or plastic.
Also, as for the comments on other 7.62x51mm rifles sourced from the US like the Robarm...I have had correspondence with the DOS and in the future it looks like a DSP-83 (Google it) may be required. This would mean each individual Canadian purchaser would have to sign one of these and it is also possible that the only way you may be able to get one of these rifles in the future is to import it yourself because they may not accept a DSP-83 from a Canadian Dealer. This is one of the main reasons I am considering this.
That and I too would love to see a maple leaf on a real combat rifle. Ahh-Ru-Ahh!!
Will keep you all posted.
Severus.
Well after thinking this one through a bit more. I'm not really interested in the M14 aka Norinco versions or a remake of the Fals etc. Also in terms of an AR-10. I have a restricted DPMS LR-308 and I'm very happy with it. Lots of fun, a great rifle even though it's restricted. I don't need another one.
What I'd really like to see and probably isn't in the parameters of your project:
1) bullpup. This takes care of the fugly stock problem although many may no doubt disagree.
2) Ambidextrous charging handle, safety etc.
3) Picatiny flat top rail directly into the receiver. No afterthought stuff. no carry handles
4) Free floated or as close as possible with the piston system
5) I want accuracy. The barrel you picked sounds very good.
6) A Canadian maple leaf tastefully rollmarked on the side.
Basically a Tavor only in .308 and with less to no plastic. Think AR meets Tavor/Type 97 without the flaws.
In truth if the Tavor came with a built in flat top, and the option of a target/varmint barrel that gave .5 moa accuracy. I'd buy one in a heartbeat. These types of rifles are the way of the future. .308 is just a bonus.
What I'd really like to see and probably isn't in the parameters of your project:
1) bullpup. This takes care of the fugly stock problem although many may no doubt disagree.
2) Ambidextrous charging handle, safety etc.
3) Picatiny flat top rail directly into the receiver. No afterthought stuff. no carry handles
4) Free floated or as close as possible with the piston system
5) I want accuracy. The barrel you picked sounds very good.
6) A Canadian maple leaf tastefully rollmarked on the side.
Basically a Tavor only in .308 and with less to no plastic. Think AR meets Tavor/Type 97 without the flaws.
In truth if the Tavor came with a built in flat top, and the option of a target/varmint barrel that gave .5 moa accuracy. I'd buy one in a heartbeat. These types of rifles are the way of the future. .308 is just a bonus.
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KPA is still going hard. We have a number of different scope bases available with new models coming out every week. Full rifles are planned, but that sort of thing doesn't happen over night.
That is impossible. First of all, the architecture of the TAVOR is based the plastic stock. If you want a sheetsteel bullpup, you are looking at the Keltech RFB.
Another example is the SA80 - a 5.56 that is close to 8.5b. A 7.62 will be hitting 10lb +
Don't forget the belt-fed grenade launcher too! And keep it under $1k.
First of all, if you look at the architecture of FN FAL - you will notice that the receiver is essentially open top with a sheet steel cover. An empty FAL is about 9 .5lb with plastic stock and such. I simply do not see where you can keep your beast under 11 lb if you want to apply box type reciever to your project.
Imagining applying steel to the FN SCAR architecture.....
The SCAR-H is only 8lb, using alumiumum extrusion tube for the receiver.
You know what I meant. The idea of the Tavor. IE bullpup to reduce the overall length. I have no problem with aluminum extruded forged etc. And yup the Keltech does show promise. Not sure about the forward ejection. Also the Keltec name doesn't exactly inspire confidence. It makes Norinco look like SIG
. Who am I kidding. I'd buy one in a heartbeat, providing it was reliable and accurate. Except of course that it's unlikely they'll be able to export them.I would expect a 1.5K to 2K rifle. If it's quality, well thought out and looks good people will pay for it. I'd rather have something I'm happy with than something that was "cheap".
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