Actually that is a good idea but I there is nothing wrong with a bullpup. But I would happily take any good non restricted black rifle that takes 20-30 round mags. Hell why not make a 100 round drum for the thing.
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Actually that is a good idea but I there is nothing wrong with a bullpup. But I would happily take any good non restricted black rifle that takes 20-30 round mags. Hell why not make a 100 round drum for the thing.
Another good thing is that this will also give you time to gauge the market for what they want the rifle to LOOK like, as well as give you time to iron out the kinks in the semi-system while keeping a minimal income. All you would have to do is make the majority of the parts work for both systems and then just change the cycling action parts.
Maybe that could work?
Oh and dont forget the mags are made in the same dimensions of a standard NATO Rifle mags....
I swear some of you people smoke a metirc buttload of opium.
You cant have a mag over 5rds that is from another weapon system - so your NATO mag dream is gone.
A semi-auto gun and a pump, or a bolt or a lever action are VASTLY different operating system.
You cant have a mag over 5rds that is from another weapon system - so your NATO mag dream is gone.
A semi-auto gun and a pump, or a bolt or a lever action are VASTLY different operating system.
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Kevin,
Better just stick with trying to sell the PMags. Very simple idea. A lot easier on everyone including yourself. You want it in black or tan?
The Canadian market is interesting isn't it.
Greg
Kevin,
Better just stick with trying to sell the PMags. Very simple idea. A lot easier on everyone including yourself. You want it in black or tan?
The Canadian market is interesting isn't it.
Greg
Apparently not for some. I particulary like the make an AR10 ,M14,Mini 14 that takes M14 mags and the Valmet Rifle
Create a fund on CGN to start up the company. 1000 shares of $1,000. I'll buy maybe 2 of those.
The shareholders get early delivery and steep discounts and, of course, a share in the profits.
Also, the board of directors of the company has representatives from CGN who are elected here from amongst the most knowledgeable individuals.
The shareholders get early delivery and steep discounts and, of course, a share in the profits.
Also, the board of directors of the company has representatives from CGN who are elected here from amongst the most knowledgeable individuals.
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Doesn't the ar-15 (semi-auto)and the rem 7615 (pump)take the same mag? If the 7615 had been made first, then would you not be able to use 20 round mage in the AR (in theory)
Chicken and the Egg -- the other individual wanted a weapon that used a pre-existing mag, which you cannot do.
http://www.militarytimes.com/multimedia/photo/replacing_the_m4/
The above link is for the candidates for the M4 replacement.
Now granted most are 5.56mm, several have scaled up big brothers.
http://www.knightarmco.com/images/pdw1.html
The KAC PDW is based upon a monolithic aluminum extrusion with rails welded on to guide the bolt.
My recommendation would be to try am upscaled version of the PDW concept
http://www.militarytimes.com/multimedia/photo/replacing_the_m4/
The above link is for the candidates for the M4 replacement.
Now granted most are 5.56mm, several have scaled up big brothers.
http://www.knightarmco.com/images/pdw1.html
The KAC PDW is based upon a monolithic aluminum extrusion with rails welded on to guide the bolt.
My recommendation would be to try am upscaled version of the PDW concept
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Could parts sets be acquired for some prohib designs, FAL, SVD (in 308) etc and then a new proprietary receiver designed around them to make it restricted or non-restricted? Perhaps use different mags and internals? I'm sure parts kits in reasonable condition from some European countries would be cheaper than actually producing them in Canada. Then a new receiver could be produced and the rifles reassembled and refinished?
I guess it all depends on the FRT labs interpretation of the design?
I guess it all depends on the FRT labs interpretation of the design?
ArmedSask Works with KPA.
Kyle Precision Arms is a Canadian company that is new. Currently all they have is scope mounts. See the banner link @ the top. That is a far cry more then what I have done.
All I have I done is make CGN folk mad @ me for posting pretty AutoCad renderings and make plastic rapid protoypes (you know the stuff that magpul takes to SHOTof their new stuff) for stuff like a free float M203....a free floating "masterkey", QD supressor stuff, and a rail system that KevinB thinks better then the KAC URX.....Mind you he did come up with all the features that the URX was missing......
So overall I have been pretty useless to the community compared to ArmedSK.....Mind you I did give him a 3D model of an Ar15 Barrel nut once.....
mike
Kyle Precision Arms is a Canadian company that is new. Currently all they have is scope mounts. See the banner link @ the top. That is a far cry more then what I have done.
All I have I done is make CGN folk mad @ me for posting pretty AutoCad renderings and make plastic rapid protoypes (you know the stuff that magpul takes to SHOTof their new stuff) for stuff like a free float M203....a free floating "masterkey", QD supressor stuff, and a rail system that KevinB thinks better then the KAC URX.....Mind you he did come up with all the features that the URX was missing......
So overall I have been pretty useless to the community compared to ArmedSK.....Mind you I did give him a 3D model of an Ar15 Barrel nut once.....
mike
He did ALL the machining. The complete design work too. It started as a solid aluminum block and a piece of paper. Did it bring black rifles into the country? No. Was it the stepping stone that might make that happen? It is very possible.
I'm truly sorry. I guess we should have gone millions of dollars into debt and started a company with no chance to make a profit just so you could have your pretty little black rifle.
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Armed - When did you hit AB?
And to keep the thread on track,
If you think you can do better then ArmedSK, Kevin or myself - Lets see what you have done.
I will accept Cad renderings.....rather then raw steel or plastic parts like what I have in my hands.
And to keep the thread on track,
If you think you can do better then ArmedSK, Kevin or myself - Lets see what you have done.
I will accept Cad renderings.....rather then raw steel or plastic parts like what I have in my hands.
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Clobbersauras
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I realize it's not like a lego set. I'm thinking something similar to what Armdsask did with the Aluminum 180b lower.
Just a thought.
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A large company could possibly turn out a production capable prototype based on all new components in a short period of time.
A small start-up business (let's take Magpul as an example) might start with small items, such as mag-puls, or scope-bases to get some initial recoup on their investments before stepping over to higher risk ventures such as polymer magazines, or even full-size rifles (Masada).
So, is there any surprise that a start-up like KPA has their first offerings as scope-rails?
Not to me.
Get your production facility established, get a product line commenced, and get some cash-flow INTO your company before you start making huge R&D investments on projects that might end up for naught.
Let's suppose you have a 3 person team working on R&D, prototyping, CAM, and testing. Suppose you're like Magpul, and you only need 4 months or so to get a rifle prototyped. What's that going to cost you?
Well, 3 people's salaries for 4 months, that's probably at least $60K. Let's add to that the cost of materials, $5K, machines and time on them $50K, how about the shop overhead, let's add another $10K for that.
As a reasonable guestimate, I'd say that you're up to $125,000.
Anyone have an eigth of a million dollars you want to drop in developping a new rifle, that may just end up as restricted anyhow with a limited market for sale in Canada, and few overseas prospects?
I'm interested in the project, and with a minor machining background, I understand some of the hurdles facing these guys.
I don't anticipate any immediate results, nor any hard and fast drawings or such from them. You don't design a rifle overnight, at least, not a .308 Battle rifle.
KPA and other manufacturer's are to be commended, not attacked for their progress. They are following a steady growth pattern that's been seen in other businesses. Expecting them to come up with a fancy new rifle as their first product is unreasonable.
Growing the domestic firearms industry is a good thing for us all.
NavyShooter
A small start-up business (let's take Magpul as an example) might start with small items, such as mag-puls, or scope-bases to get some initial recoup on their investments before stepping over to higher risk ventures such as polymer magazines, or even full-size rifles (Masada).
So, is there any surprise that a start-up like KPA has their first offerings as scope-rails?
Not to me.
Get your production facility established, get a product line commenced, and get some cash-flow INTO your company before you start making huge R&D investments on projects that might end up for naught.
Let's suppose you have a 3 person team working on R&D, prototyping, CAM, and testing. Suppose you're like Magpul, and you only need 4 months or so to get a rifle prototyped. What's that going to cost you?
Well, 3 people's salaries for 4 months, that's probably at least $60K. Let's add to that the cost of materials, $5K, machines and time on them $50K, how about the shop overhead, let's add another $10K for that.
As a reasonable guestimate, I'd say that you're up to $125,000.
Anyone have an eigth of a million dollars you want to drop in developping a new rifle, that may just end up as restricted anyhow with a limited market for sale in Canada, and few overseas prospects?
I'm interested in the project, and with a minor machining background, I understand some of the hurdles facing these guys.
I don't anticipate any immediate results, nor any hard and fast drawings or such from them. You don't design a rifle overnight, at least, not a .308 Battle rifle.
KPA and other manufacturer's are to be commended, not attacked for their progress. They are following a steady growth pattern that's been seen in other businesses. Expecting them to come up with a fancy new rifle as their first product is unreasonable.
Growing the domestic firearms industry is a good thing for us all.
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