cheep .338 lapaua (hope I spelled that right....)

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Wow I hope I never meet you at the range you sound like a ####. You could of said all that without the profanity and name calling. The way you chose to post pretty much makes me think your the one that opinion doesn't matter. This forum of late is becoming very hostile.

We all shoot bullets at paper and hope to do it with the best accuracy are talents and budget will allow. Who cares if you do it with a semi custom stevens .223 or a custom Surgeon .338 Lapua. The point is your out shooting.

To The original poster

I would love to get into the .338 Lapua game too but it's just not cheap. The things I would change over time on the Remington would in my opinion be spending too much money on that rifle. Save your pennies if you are serious and do it right. If you just want to test the water and try one the Remington will not be beat for price.

Best of luck




Jerry, you are so full of sh%t, it's not even funny.
It's a sad day when people like you spew so much mis-information, start to make up answers to questions that nobody asked, and do it so often, that they start to believe their own sh%t as facts! Maybe next time, try to stick with subject matter that you are familiar with?

You do know that it was the 1980's that the original Lapua round was tested, not the 1880's? Again, do you really think that they used weak 100 year old brass? Obviously you don't. It wasn't that the brass couldn't take the pressure, it was that the brass couldn't take the shape + the pressure. When they drew the existing brass, it got thin, and failed under chamber pressures. Due to the shape of the .416 Rigby case, it can easily handle your so called modern pressures, as it could when it was first designed. You should understand that these pressure have just as much to do with the chamber, as they do with the brass. The same would happen today if you tried to make .338 Lapua from .416 Rigby brass. Surley with all your "custom" cartridge "experience" you can relate to that?

As to your question about performance, and why not use a case that has 15% more capacity? I asked you to provide such a magic case, with the same bolt face, and the same quality brass. Obviously you couldn't come up with one, because it doesn't exist. So now your sugestion, as if to answer the above question, is to improve the existing case? That is the best you can come up with? People have been doing that since the case came out. As to pretty much the same cost, when was the last time you ordered a reamer and set of custom dies? Well over $500.00, and that's with a lot of help. Do it on your own, it will be significantly higher.

I would like to stir the pot some more on the equal or better performance for under $1500 question. I think it is very prudent to the discussion, as that's what the original question was all about. I am very anxious to see what kind of pile of sh&t you may be able to cobble together, for under $1500.00, that would safely get a .338 Lapua down range. Remington can barely do it, but you can? Give us break with your tireless self promotion Jerry, as I said, it's a sad day when you start to believe your own crap as fact.

I'm not even going to start on who would be stupid enough to send you a USO scope to do a "review" on, because that's how much I value your "opinion".

R.
 
Wow I hope I never meet you at the range you sound like a ####. You could of said all that without the profanity and name calling. The way you chose to post pretty much makes me think your the one that opinion doesn't matter. This forum of late is becoming very hostile.

We all shoot bullets at paper and hope to do it with the best accuracy are talents and budget will allow. Who cares if you do it with a semi custom stevens .223 or a custom Surgeon .338 Lapua. The point is your out shooting.

Best of luck

the just shooting part seems to not be heard by Obtunded...he thinks that hes better than every one else and has said that you will not get precision with this rifle or that...precision is in the eye of the beholder...if i think MOA is precision because that is my personal best...i will be damn proud...and to me personally...i have seen some people make nice groups with factory stevens rifles...you dont have to put people down because you are trying to make up for something :feedTroll:
 
the just shooting part seems to not be heard by Obtunded...he thinks that hes better than every one else and has said that you will not get precision with this rifle or that...precision is in the eye of the beholder...if i think MOA is precision because that is my personal best...i will be damn proud...and to me personally...i have seen some people make nice groups with factory stevens rifles...you dont have to put people down because you are trying to make up for something :feedTroll:

Each to there own. Everytime I have delt with Ian weather it be for a barrel or a question he has been great to talk too. sometimes the internet is a perfect place to take something the wrong way.
 
Wow I hope I never meet you at the range you sound like a ####. You could of said all that without the profanity and name calling. The way you chose to post pretty much makes me think your the one that opinion doesn't matter. This forum of late is becoming very hostile.

We all shoot bullets at paper and hope to do it with the best accuracy are talents and budget will allow. Who cares if you do it with a semi custom stevens .223 or a custom Surgeon .338 Lapua. The point is your out shooting.

To The original poster

I would love to get into the .338 Lapua game too but it's just not cheap. The things I would change over time on the Remington would in my opinion be spending too much money on that rifle. Save your pennies if you are serious and do it right. If you just want to test the water and try one the Remington will not be beat for price.

Best of luck

I can assure you, that if we ever met at a range, I would be everything but a ####. I agree with you that my opinion does not matter, but I do not promote that it does. There is a difference. I shoot bullets at paper, as well as meat. This is where a larger calibre rifle is required. This is apparently lost on some people.

R.
 
A gopher is only about 2.5" wide. To hit that regularily at 1000yds is perilously close to world record territory. To hit such a target that moves randomly, changes shape constantly and blends in to the background would be closer to a miracle. So I have my doubts about the veracity of such a claim.

To hit a target like that once in a while is a very different issue, where the rules of probability play a big factor.

A well tuned F class rifle will hold the V or X ring of a 1000yd target. That is 1/2 MOA or roughly 5".

Many have the mechanical accuracy to actually shoot better - shooter error not withstanding. 1/3 min is not out of the question.

So the rifle can hit a pop can about 50 to 75% of the time if conditions can be doped correctly. If the shooter can shoot as well as the rifle, hitting PD's at 1000yds is definitely not out of the question.

Everytime, that would be a fine shot indeed. But on a calm day with light mirage, 50% seems "possible".

Where I shoot, there is a stump the size of a 2L pop bottle which we call the GOPHER. Hitting it is really just a function of well tuned loads and good doping.

So hitting something 1/2 the size is certainly within the realm of possibilities.

Jerry
 
It's a funny thing.... awhile back a fella made claims of consistently posting 3 and 3 1/2 inch groups at just over 1000yds, and was told he was full of ####.
Now we have another fella making claims of shooting GOPHERS, all day long, at 1000m,... and this is accepted by most.
 
As soon as I can get some days off Jerry!!

:D:D=mysticplayer;4170374]Like smoking tires with a supercharged big block.

But then don't complain about the gas mileage :)

Bring it down and we can stretch its legs.

Jerry[/QUOTE]



I appreciate the invite, enjoyed the shoot a few years back....An eye opener to say the least!!!!
 
As for Jerrys shooting

A bunch of us........ATR Rick, Glock-a-maniac mysekf, LRC for a few, as well as many others have witnessed hits on the target that Jerry is talking about....

Too the many Nay-sayers here:

You proabably wouldn't believe me if I told you Glock-a-maniac put 8 outa 10 shots with my Barnard action ATR .22-250 AI shooting 55gr FB Noslers at well over 4000fps into the same target at 1123 yards...... Until you've been there......


The problem is too many people here shoot savage 12FV or Remmy 700 outa da box, that shoot 1/4 MOA all day. Too many people spewing about distance shooting, but don't own one..... Or never have, or never will.
Too many people with chips on their shoulders.

Obtunded/ATR/Mystic (along with others) are respected members of the community, and have lots of wisdom for all to use at there own free will.

Take it or leave it yourself, but attacking and being belligerent isn't really wanted or needed here, the confrontational attitude here really is a downer.

Sure is funny, but at the summerland shoot, I was happy to spin a 20lb propane bottle at 1200 yrds with my .338LAI AND could hit it in the 90% + range with the custom .22-250AI..... And when jerry came up and busted my chops about "playing" at the short range and helped me out, next thing I know I'm shooting with the 50's at OVER 2400 yards with great accuracy.

BUT THEN AGAIN......IF I hadn't have had MULTIPLE witness from the board, all the nay-sayers would have jumped all over me.

So all, take the knowledge that others are providing, use what you want, but don't discourage people from offering it,or offering some wisdom whether you agree or not.

Maybe there should be another sub forum like somebody said in I think Ian Robertsons thread....... One for people Precision rifles (customs wildcats,long range shooting) and people with questions/comments about such, and one for people that have questions comments concerns about non-precision rifles, but more precision than "regular" hunting rifles .....(the Varmint rifle forum) or such.......

Wow Rant... Whooo ya.... Woot Woot.R:d:
 
Obtunded/ATR/Mystic (along with others) are respected members of the community, and have lots of wisdom for all to use at there own free will.

its not that we dont appreciate the INFO...we just dont appreciate the snotty attitude that Obtunded decides to throw along with it...we dont deserve it but we get it anyway...Obtunded has turned me off of F class and pushed me towards shooting alone at a range
 
Did some of Obtunded posts get deleted?
I dont know what he said? He said he hits gophers at 1000 yds with his 6mmbr?

If I had a $5000+ 6mmBR it had better hit gophers at 1000 yards all day long too!
 
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