Chinese SKS Dating Thread

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Boris Badinov said:
This is the less likely scenario. But also a possibility.

jammont, can you post some photos?
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Why is it less likely? The Chinese have been doing this all through the 80s 90s and 2000s. A lot of the "clandestine" guns everyone wants to be some sort of cold war relic are actually re stamps for Commercial export. You can see the old serial numbers with a flashlight in several examples under the new bluing.
 
fenceline said:
Why is it less likely? The Chinese have been doing this all through the 80s 90s and 2000s. A lot of the "clandestine" guns everyone wants to be some sort of cold war relic are actually re stamps for Commercial export. You can see the old serial numbers with a flashlight in several examples under the new bluing.
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Less likely because scrubbing and restamping receiver serials was the exception and not the norm for standard configuration exports.

Commercially modified guns often had the original receiver serials scrubbed along with many or all other serialized parts. But the majority of standard configuration guns retained their original serials.

Just as jammont's gun does. The serif font and the long lugged, threaded barrel are dead giveaways that the barreled action is an early, first year Ghost Gun.
 
Thanks for letting me know....I have 2 other Chinese rifles a factory 636 numbers matching from 1971 and a factory 516 unissused numbers matching from 1968.
this was the only rifle I could not find any information on until now. Just wish it was matching with the original potbelly stock and blade bayonet.
 
Boris Badinov said:
Less likely because scrubbing and restamping receiver serials was the exception and not the norm for standard configuration exports.

Commercially modified guns often had the original receiver serials scrubbed along with many or all other serialized parts. But the majority of standard configuration guns retained their original serials.

Just as jammont's gun does. The serif font and the long lugged, threaded barrel are dead giveaways that the barreled action is an early, first year Ghost Gun.
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For exports going to the US before the ban... yes.

In Canada we kept getting SKS rifles imported... and many were scrubbed and re-serialized.
 
Boris Badinov said:
Technically speaking EVERY sks made before 1990 is a cold war relic.
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Yes..but not all relics are as rare as the next. Creating a false narrative around "clandestine" guns about their secret export to commie partner countries on no facts vs accepting that the "clandestine" guns are actually just scrubbed generic military guns rebranded for export sales is two different things.
 
fenceline said:
Yes..but not all relics are as rare as the next. Creating a false narrative around "clandestine" guns about their secret export to commie partner countries on no facts vs accepting that the "clandestine" guns are actually just scrubbed generic military guns rebranded for export sales is two different things.
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It seems a bit odd that you have chosen to take issue with a claim that has not been made, neither by myself nor the owner of the rifle in question.

Where did either of us say "clandestine" anything?

The barreled action is without a doubt, and with 100% certainty an early first year production.

One photo in particular demonstrates this. Can you tell us which photo it is and why?
 
nice factory 516....I have one close to your serial range as it is also a 1968...bought it at cabelas and it is an unfired in excellent condition....does it have the little start with circle on the right had side of the butt stock?
 
One question I have is the star and circle on the right hand side of the butt stock on the factory 516 rifles....what does it mean? Only seen it from this factory so far?
 
jaroslav said:
No idea what I"m looking at.
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compare with the early years:

1956 (with soviet star): http://chinesesks.weebly.com/uploads/2/9/2/2/29221347/976477008.jpg

1957: http://chinesesks.weebly.com/uploads/2/9/2/2/29221347/869076985.jpg

1958: http://chinesesks.weebly.com/uploads/2/9/2/2/29221347/736453439.jpg

1959-60: http://chinesesks.weebly.com/uploads/2/9/2/2/29221347/311964882.jpg


Then compare the photo I refer to above.


(By 1958, the factory /26\ guns no longer have swarm of single and double digit proof stamps.)
 
jammont said:
One question I have is the star and circle on the right hand side of the butt stock on the factory 516 rifles....what does it mean? Only seen it from this factory so far?
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Know one knows for certain what the circled star on the stock represents on Chinese guns.

Doesn't show up often, that's for sure. I think there may be other arsenals associated with this type of star.
 
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