Beater here is another KB that resulted in damages simular to yours
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Colt HB match Ka- boom
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after talking to WW ( olin) , they would not let me talk to the leagal department. which in hindsight is probably a good thing.
as soon as they found out i was canadian, they gave me the rep for canada, and couldnt hang up fast enough.
....so...
only one route left to go.
after talking to WW ( olin) , they would not let me talk to the leagal department. which in hindsight is probably a good thing.
as soon as they found out i was canadian, they gave me the rep for canada, and couldnt hang up fast enough.
....so...
only one route left to go.
I have one of there H-BAR colt, it eat evrything from 45 to 70gr. without a hick-up, even hand load, barrel is also 1-7 twist... what is the writing on the side or the rifle, chambered for 5.56mm OR .223, there is a difference in the 2 chamber, also, look at the hammer please, if there is a notch, it is to prevent slam fire, if you have that notch, it is not a slam fire for sure, this is all i can ad
(BTW, not the notch at the rear of the hammer fo full auto but a notch in front of the hammer)
Sendero
(BTW, not the notch at the rear of the hammer fo full auto but a notch in front of the hammer)
Sendero
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highspeedlowdrag
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Shouldn't be an issue here... All of the current civvy production rifles are marked .223 on the side of the receiver. It's the barrel stamp that you should be concerned with in regards to the .223 vs 5.56 chamber issue. Despite the .223 markings on the recievers, the current spec chamber on civvy Colt barrels is 5.56 (as stamped on the forward end of the barrels).
hsld.
Sniper1 said:
Finally found a box (Win 45 gr JHP, 50 rd value pack)
i initially bought four boxes (200 rds total)
I fired about 158 without any problems.
Product # and UPC codes: USA2232F (upc: 20892 21369)
Underneath the box is probably the lot # (and/or carton #):
Carton No. FO 031241
CT532
E126131 8
K7303
Looks like the same as Beater's, with no mention as to velocity or rifling twist.
Just by looking at the rounds, bullet seating depth seems constant.
i'll have to take out my caliper to check this.
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Just because you live in Canada doesn't mean that Olin or Colt are not directly responsible to you for the damages caused by the failure of their product (assuming it is, in fact, their product that caused the failure). Product liability to third parties has long been recognized by the common law. If you actually wanted to file a lawsuit over this thing, you could sue Olin, their Canadian distributor, the store/person you bought the rifle from, or all of them at once. Normally you'd just go after the manufacturer because they have the deepest pockets.Beater said:
Forget speaking with customer service reps. Any company's first response would be denying liability and trying to point a finger in another direction. Send them a letter complete with photographs and have it personally delivered by a courier to someone who is in position of authority (i.e. the product manager). Inform them of the damages caused to your property, as well as the mental shock you suffered as a result of the whole ordeal (which you have, haven't you?) Politely ask them to buy you a new rifle.
There is nothing that U.S. gun makers are more afraid of than lawsuits, especially after what happened to S&W and Bushmaster. While you have, fortunately, suffered no physical damages, U.S. courts have been known to award millions of dollars for "mental suffering". $800 is nothing for companies like Colt and Olin. But you have to convince them to take you seriously.
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After participating in over a dozen breech explosion investigations, I can say without a doubt that the damage to your firearm was the result of a bore obstruction within a few inches of chamber.
If you had just fired a few rounds before this one, the most likely obstruction was a bullet from a squib-launch. This could be caused by bad ammunition, or badly stored ammuntion (ie got wet). A cleaning rod stuck in the bore would do the same. The overpressure caused by this produces the same damage every time. You could not get pressure that high from incorrect powder or too much powder.
Is there anything in the bore now?
I think you would have a hard time proving that the ammunition was to blame or that the firearm did not function as designed.
If you had just fired a few rounds before this one, the most likely obstruction was a bullet from a squib-launch. This could be caused by bad ammunition, or badly stored ammuntion (ie got wet). A cleaning rod stuck in the bore would do the same. The overpressure caused by this produces the same damage every time. You could not get pressure that high from incorrect powder or too much powder.
Is there anything in the bore now?
I think you would have a hard time proving that the ammunition was to blame or that the firearm did not function as designed.
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where may i ask have you participated in over a dozen breech explotions?
millitary?
this was the last round in the five round mag.
there was no cleaning rod in the bbl
the second last round in the mag went bang, just like the 1st,2nd,and 3rd.
the bore is perfect, without a scratch, buldge, or any mark of any kind.
the ammo was in a sealed box, looked perfect.
i watched the 4th round hit , i know it wasnt a squib.
ive had a squib before in past experiance, i know what it feels like.
you think if i loaded a 223 round as full as i could get it with unique, or say 2400 that the rifle would take that preasure?....i doubt it very much.
overpreasure , i guess so
i think you presume alot
millitary?
this was the last round in the five round mag.
there was no cleaning rod in the bbl
the second last round in the mag went bang, just like the 1st,2nd,and 3rd.
the bore is perfect, without a scratch, buldge, or any mark of any kind.
the ammo was in a sealed box, looked perfect.
i watched the 4th round hit , i know it wasnt a squib.
ive had a squib before in past experiance, i know what it feels like.
you think if i loaded a 223 round as full as i could get it with unique, or say 2400 that the rifle would take that preasure?....i doubt it very much.
overpreasure , i guess so
i think you presume alot
tekriter MK 1 said:
I am thinking that, given the location of the gas block on an AR, if you did have a bullet lodge in the barrel just in front on the chamber, the bolt could not have been unlocked by the dud round and the rifle would not have chambered the subsequent round.
Hey, many apologies. I was just trying to enlighten you with the benefit of my experience.
You might preserve the evidence and see if you can take it to a CF armourer (6b or higher) on a base. They may like to see it just out of interest, and they can tell you what they observe.
BTW, I said "most likely". Without examining yours I can't say. Any number of foreign object could get in the bore. Broken magazine pieces have caused breech explosions as well as other gun parts or foerign matter.
The last breech explosion I saw looked exactly like yours and was the result of a cleaning rod lodged in the bore. A ruptured case, for example, annealed upside down would blow out and likely break the extractor but not much more. I'll load up a round with pistol powder next week and see what it does, but considering each barrel and bolt are tested at around 100,000 psi, I don't think we can get much higher than that without blocking the bore.
If you don't belive me, that's cool. If you do have any luck with Colt's or Olin, let us know.
Cheers,
You might preserve the evidence and see if you can take it to a CF armourer (6b or higher) on a base. They may like to see it just out of interest, and they can tell you what they observe.
BTW, I said "most likely". Without examining yours I can't say. Any number of foreign object could get in the bore. Broken magazine pieces have caused breech explosions as well as other gun parts or foerign matter.
The last breech explosion I saw looked exactly like yours and was the result of a cleaning rod lodged in the bore. A ruptured case, for example, annealed upside down would blow out and likely break the extractor but not much more. I'll load up a round with pistol powder next week and see what it does, but considering each barrel and bolt are tested at around 100,000 psi, I don't think we can get much higher than that without blocking the bore.
If you don't belive me, that's cool. If you do have any luck with Colt's or Olin, let us know.
Cheers,
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well maybe i should apologize aswell, but i must say, you really sound like you know it all, and some of us are kinda daft on things.
your going to load a round with 2400 or some other pistol powder,and touch it off?.ill be vary interested to see what happens there.
it is in the hands of a very fine lawyer, and things are progressing .
haveing many years of shooting experiance myself, the very first thing i thought i was going to find when i examined the bbl, after the brass was removed, was a buldge, or score, or something.
nothing, notta.perfect.
MASTER-G
thanks , i never even thought of that, you are correct.
i saw the round hit downrange, so i know it wasnt a squib.
and the rifle has been preserved, its in the lawyers hands.
your going to load a round with 2400 or some other pistol powder,and touch it off?.ill be vary interested to see what happens there.
it is in the hands of a very fine lawyer, and things are progressing .
haveing many years of shooting experiance myself, the very first thing i thought i was going to find when i examined the bbl, after the brass was removed, was a buldge, or score, or something.
nothing, notta.perfect.
MASTER-G
thanks , i never even thought of that, you are correct.
i saw the round hit downrange, so i know it wasnt a squib.
and the rifle has been preserved, its in the lawyers hands.
I have been wondering when this would happen. A friend showed up at my door with hais new DPMS AR. and he was pissed. Every time he chambered a round it would not chamber. He showed me the rounds that would not chambered and the tips on some were pushed right into the case as well as some that were bent. This ammo was the winchester 45 grainers. We took his AR as well as two of mine out to the range and had a repeat performance with all 3 of the AR's. Bent bullets in the case as well as several that were pushed back into the case. It appears that the bullets were nose diving into the feed ramp. I believe the overall length of this ammo is not long enough to slide up the ramp. I gave him some 55 gr. ball ammo and his gun chewed them up with no further trouble. I often thought what would happen if the gun chambered a round with a bullet pushed into the case. So beware when using these value packed rounds.
canucklehead
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The hollowpoint/45grn varmint bullets don't chamber in my AR's either. The flat spot on the tips gets hung up on the feedramps, and pushes the bullet it.
The crimp on these is pretty weak. Try pulling a bullet with pliers, and it takes no effort at all. By comparison, my South African 55grn ammo doesn't come out (no bullet puller) unless you destroy the case!
The crimp on these is pretty weak. Try pulling a bullet with pliers, and it takes no effort at all. By comparison, my South African 55grn ammo doesn't come out (no bullet puller) unless you destroy the case!
