I sure agree. Speaking as someone who has a huge track record, extending over decades, of offending more people than you can shake a stick at, I have begun in my late 50's to try and behave myself (hard, I know) and have finally figured out that there is a lot to be said for cutting other fellows some slack and extending a bit of respect in how I talk to them. I would have to say that Sharps '63 has exhibited remarkable constraint considering.
Concealed weapon or not: The bush and animal protection
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That's not what I was refering to.
Please stop while you are ahead.
I will not reply here anymore.
have a good one
PS: I think it's prudent to mention that this thread is a sticky. Your own words and attitude are going to be on semi-permanent CGN display for quite a while. We will all be judged accordingly.
yes, my very last words here
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Sharps your position has several false premise’s, it presumes the antique calibers were chosen intentionally over more powerful options, which they were not. It is similar to making fun of handicapped people for being handicapped. Nobody wants to use these calibers; they are all these people have to choose from thanks to being handicapped our laws. Criticising these choices is essentially criticising people for being law abiding citizens. Criticize the lawmakers and assume a long gun is not an option for all people, all the time.
Presuming that people are incompetent other than those who choose to tell their life’s story in a public forum is another mistake. I bet most people have stories similar to 38-55, just because they don’t post the details to gain the approval of a self professed expert & critic doesn’t mean people lack experience or credibility. This isn’t a knitting forum, CGN is full of competitive shooters, trappers and hunters and these people know their way around a gun and wild game. Its also full of scholars, professionals, pilot’s, soldiers and adrenalin junkies who don’t need a book brought to the best seller list by Oprah to understand being in the "now". Stating the need to dumb down something is insulting; since you value Oprah, perhaps you should pick up an offering from Dr Phil, and learn how to treat people.
Presuming all bears charge and kill or that it REQUIRES a high power rifle to kill them is another flaw. I am pretty sure prior to black badge courses or the 45-70 cartridge many a bear died on the muzzle end of a firearm that would be called inadequate today in the hands of people the apparent critic would call "unprepared". To say antiques will be made illegal due to a person being killed by a bear is like saying bear spray or bear bells will be made illegal for not working either? People coming to public forums exaggerating the use of antiques, implying carelessness and fabricating problems, will not do the antique class any good.
Presuming that people are incompetent other than those who choose to tell their life’s story in a public forum is another mistake. I bet most people have stories similar to 38-55, just because they don’t post the details to gain the approval of a self professed expert & critic doesn’t mean people lack experience or credibility. This isn’t a knitting forum, CGN is full of competitive shooters, trappers and hunters and these people know their way around a gun and wild game. Its also full of scholars, professionals, pilot’s, soldiers and adrenalin junkies who don’t need a book brought to the best seller list by Oprah to understand being in the "now". Stating the need to dumb down something is insulting; since you value Oprah, perhaps you should pick up an offering from Dr Phil, and learn how to treat people.
Presuming all bears charge and kill or that it REQUIRES a high power rifle to kill them is another flaw. I am pretty sure prior to black badge courses or the 45-70 cartridge many a bear died on the muzzle end of a firearm that would be called inadequate today in the hands of people the apparent critic would call "unprepared". To say antiques will be made illegal due to a person being killed by a bear is like saying bear spray or bear bells will be made illegal for not working either? People coming to public forums exaggerating the use of antiques, implying carelessness and fabricating problems, will not do the antique class any good.
The Firearms Act is as clear as can be - which is to say that it is dark grey at best. LOL
The Fireams Act does attempt to say that an antique firearm is exempt from portions of the act and specifies which portions. The danger is not in running foul of the law, but having the crown decide to punish you anyway. They tend to have an overlord mentality and enjoy sending messages to we lowly sefs to let us know we should not get too uppity.
It is a documnted fact that the crown will press charges on multiple counts in an attmpt to bully the defendant into giving up and accepting a deal for lesser charges. The defendant is forced to spend tens of thousnads of $$ for his own defense, and then the crown drops charges a month before the court date because they have no chance of winning. Talk about obstruction of justice, if it were literally enforced half the judges and all the crown prosecutors in canada would be wearing striped jumpers with a number on their chest.
So - a little caution and discretion will go a long way. Forums like this that encourage antiques also encourage the antis to notice and take action against us. The law seems to be on our side when interpreted literally, but the justice system certainly IS NOT on our side and you can expect they will punish you regardless if you break the law or not.
The Fireams Act does attempt to say that an antique firearm is exempt from portions of the act and specifies which portions. The danger is not in running foul of the law, but having the crown decide to punish you anyway. They tend to have an overlord mentality and enjoy sending messages to we lowly sefs to let us know we should not get too uppity.
It is a documnted fact that the crown will press charges on multiple counts in an attmpt to bully the defendant into giving up and accepting a deal for lesser charges. The defendant is forced to spend tens of thousnads of $$ for his own defense, and then the crown drops charges a month before the court date because they have no chance of winning. Talk about obstruction of justice, if it were literally enforced half the judges and all the crown prosecutors in canada would be wearing striped jumpers with a number on their chest.
So - a little caution and discretion will go a long way. Forums like this that encourage antiques also encourage the antis to notice and take action against us. The law seems to be on our side when interpreted literally, but the justice system certainly IS NOT on our side and you can expect they will punish you regardless if you break the law or not.
well said ^,
I used to run a trapline on the west coast of vancouver island and had alot of encounters with Black bears early in the season and wolves to i only wish i had a 45 schofield back when i used to trap and pack around a 80 Lb pack instead of that old heavy 303 rifle which got put down alot. theres still alot of people who trap theses days and dont want the hassel of a restricted ATT
I think most guys do the best they can within the laws with what they can get.
Just because we all dont spill our guts on a open forum dont meen were all arm chair shooters.
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Im not sure what they can get now, i never bothered with it back in the 70s and early 80s i knew trappers who had the licence to carry they also had there free miners cert to so maby got the licence to carry thru that.
Im pretty sure trappers can get ATT permits for bigger than 22 s tho.
Theres alot of guys trapping still to right accross Canada.
There was a Letter from the ON MNR about it being ok to dispatch critters on a Registered trapline with antique revolvers i think its in this long thred somewhere.
for that kinda thing there very handy and capable.
Id stick with my 303 for big bears tho still if push came to shove and i was caught with nothing but my SAA colt in 45 schofield it would go right on into a bear skull at close range. at least the way i reload and shoot anyway.
Theres worry around here over wolves and cougars to which are alot smaller than a big old bears.
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I am still puzzled by comments like this one. I doubt that anyone here wants to get attacked by a bear, or 'take on' an aggressive charging bear no matter what firearm they have in their hands. The simple fact of the matter is that if a fellow spends time in the bush and needs both hands free to do things, there is the risk of being attacked by a bear and having to deal with it. So until we can all get wilderness carry permits for more impressive hand guns, what is your solution?
Well I just found out I can carry a shotgun in the bush here in Nova Scotia with a basic wildlife stamp, so I'm thinking of getting a Dominion Arms 8.5 inch 12 ga. shottie. For all intents and purposes, it might as well be a shotgun. Can only use shot though, unless a person has a big game license and then can use slugs to the end of March. Can also target shoot. Had a long chat with the DNR officer. Glad I did. Although she said if she saw me with a pistol - no matter if antique or not, no questions, I'm be on the business end of bad news.
The 8.5 Dominion is short and light but holds only 3 shells whereas the 12.5 holds 5. What to do. What to do....
The 8.5 Dominion is short and light but holds only 3 shells whereas the 12.5 holds 5. What to do. What to do....
Make that 'handgun'
Thanks for this, jethunter!
You succinctly stated the reality we all face as gun owners, including those who own and shoot 'antiques'. As has been stated, we don't currently have a choice as to what calibres we can pack in the bush. And has also been brilliantly stated, a 'antique' beats poking a bear in the eye with your ####.
Until someone puts this to the test and has to contest the matter in court, it is a circular argument and will not be settled here.
You succinctly stated the reality we all face as gun owners, including those who own and shoot 'antiques'. As has been stated, we don't currently have a choice as to what calibres we can pack in the bush. And has also been brilliantly stated, a 'antique' beats poking a bear in the eye with your ####.
Until someone puts this to the test and has to contest the matter in court, it is a circular argument and will not be settled here.
^^^ what he said! Add on the Dlask railed shorty forend. I am working on a grip that won't snag on the way out of a backpack, and keeps your thumb safe from the muzzle.
Just make sure you cycle them about 500 times dry before you lube them up to break in the action.
Take it to the range and make sure it cycles reliably.
Great bush guns.
Keep in mind, in BC at least they are too short to hunt with.
12" or longer I believe.
Just make sure you cycle them about 500 times dry before you lube them up to break in the action.
Take it to the range and make sure it cycles reliably.
Great bush guns.
Keep in mind, in BC at least they are too short to hunt with.
12" or longer I believe.
Looking for information on open carrying on a motorcycle or ATV (or horse) I've been reading through this thread for hours and I think I traveled back in time to tomorrow. Please excuse me for asking what's been asked before; loaded antique revolver open carry in a holster while riding a motorcycle in the bush, ya or no. I'm not transporting it, my truck that I transport the atv to the trail is at the head of the trail. I'm surveying for work. (I read it as it can be used basically as a non restricted rifle) If no, loaded or unloaded carrying it in an unlocked but lockable box for quick access? I know my shotgun can't be loaded in or on a motorcycle which is why I'm leaning toward carrying a magazine fed grizzly for quick loading.
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