I read some of the legislation and as near as I can tell (only my personal understanding), it is only on mil spec scopes, knobs, reticles, etc. Buying a regular leupold from the US without the export/import permits/licence and having it shipped here is not illegal.
Counterfeit Leupold Scopes
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Glad to read this. Hope your personal understanding is correct. My personal favorite is genuine Leupold. I have bought many of them on ebay in the past, no problems. But, that was well over a yr ago. Will stay tuned to see what other info comes up.
Midway and Zeiss US were fined thousands upon thousands of dollars for exporting scopes illegally. Milspec. was not the issue. Export of scopes was.
Buy all you want through eBay. But don't assume that the seller is exporting legally. If you do not send a IIC from DFAIT, you know the seller is exporting illegally.
Buy all you want through eBay. But don't assume that the seller is exporting legally. If you do not send a IIC from DFAIT, you know the seller is exporting illegally.
...as was Cabelas.
Last I checked, we were in Canada...Seeing as sending such an item here from the states without an export permit would fall under the responsibility of the seller/sender, not the reciever, who has no control whatsoever over the seller, it's their ass on the line. I don't think there are any legal ramifications/reciprocations of buying anything, unless maybe you're selling them off wicked cheap here and it can be proven that you knew the seller was not exporting legally. But even then, would th ecanadian government deport a citizen to face charges in the states? Probably not. There are a lot of dumb people around, enough that "i just thought he was an idiot and selling at a loss" could be a plausible excuse if the question ever came up...which it wouldn't...
This thread's gone way off topic. But Per Morpheus' comment on page 5:
... It is illegal to export a wide variety of scopes out of the US without proper paperwork. The point of CGN is to assist members to understand the ever complex regulations we face. Despite your commentary, it is illegal. We may not like the regulations, and you may choose to not follow the export requirements out of the US. Just because they are sold on ebay does not make the exportable. At the end of the day, a wide variety of scopes and optics can not be legally exported out of the US with out approval from the US State Department....
Why provoke the U.S. into tightening up the rules further and making it even harder for Canadians to import anything?
... It is illegal to export a wide variety of scopes out of the US without proper paperwork. The point of CGN is to assist members to understand the ever complex regulations we face. Despite your commentary, it is illegal. We may not like the regulations, and you may choose to not follow the export requirements out of the US. Just because they are sold on ebay does not make the exportable. At the end of the day, a wide variety of scopes and optics can not be legally exported out of the US with out approval from the US State Department....
Why provoke the U.S. into tightening up the rules further and making it even harder for Canadians to import anything?
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I wouldn`t buy one but I would guess that their warranty policy can`t be that much worse than some of leupold`s own policies. I heard about a guy who went right to China
and bought Ping knock offs made from the exact material, using exact specs as ping, right from the same plant as ping now uses. Just to be clear Ping was always profitable when building in the US. I guess anything can happen in the name of money.
and bought Ping knock offs made from the exact material, using exact specs as ping, right from the same plant as ping now uses. Just to be clear Ping was always profitable when building in the US. I guess anything can happen in the name of money.
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I own a knockoff leupold as well. It was advertized on Ebay as a generic scope for $85.00 Canadian. I bought it and it arrived a few weeks later. Only when I opened the box did I discover the leupold Mk4 trademark complete with a serial number under the erector housing. Hell, it's a cheap scope. I don't like the idea that it says Leupold, but the scope works the way it should and so far I have no complaints with it. I nailed a coyote in February with it and so far no fogging. I have it mounted on my Savage 223
and achieved 1/4" groups with this scope. You can't argue with that.
and achieved 1/4" groups with this scope. You can't argue with that.
Yeah, that's what we need on this site, more rules and sensorship, about expressing ones opinion. Maybe just let it go and try not to be so sensitive. Freedom of speech is more important than agreeing with everthing someone else says. It's not a big deal. IMHO
Well stated, that is a better way of reinforcing the CGN policy against promoting illegal activity!
But... (i might be trolling here) does US law apply to the actions of canadians living in canada or US citizens while in the states only? As an example, no one at the border crossing (canadian customs) cares if you have a scope at the border crossing, US customs will crap a brick if you are in their country under their laws trying to export a scope apparently, but that is alot different than ordering something online (in canada) from the states to canada. Having said that I am not advocating buying a scope online, but asking to point out the canadian law that states it is illegal. If we fall under american law while living up in canuckistan someone please tell me how/why?
So basically, an american exporting a scope I can see as illegal, A canadian ordering a scope online... well I havent seen any Canadian laws that state this is illegal. It seems like the accountability falls on the vendor, If im wrong please forgive me and back up your statement as to why.
Also, what's with the agression towards the chinese?
Have you even ever thought about this?
When you live in a poor poor communist country and lack a lot of the things we take for granted Im sure you would appreciate any job, even the sweat shops owned by big foreign (read american!) corporations.
Here is the cruelty of it, the big corps (like nike, any power tool or appliance company, alot of computer companies etc.etc.) are owned by north american corps, but when it comes to not supporting north american economy we think we should be bombing the chinese people, as if they planned this out. Like the average chinese person is purposely trying to undermine us and destroy us?
Seriously, I think were being mislead here.
Have you even ever thought about this?
When you live in a poor poor communist country and lack a lot of the things we take for granted Im sure you would appreciate any job, even the sweat shops owned by big foreign (read american!) corporations.
Here is the cruelty of it, the big corps (like nike, any power tool or appliance company, alot of computer companies etc.etc.) are owned by north american corps, but when it comes to not supporting north american economy we think we should be bombing the chinese people, as if they planned this out. Like the average chinese person is purposely trying to undermine us and destroy us?
Seriously, I think were being mislead here.
Fake Leopold scopes and the REAL Leopold warrantee
If the deal looks too good to be true, it probably is.......cheap glass is cheap glass....quality glass is a lifetime purchase.
And now our addle headed Canadian warrantee company, Korth, will not honor a warrantee on a US produced scope if it is purchased in the US.....so much for buying a Leopold scope at a gun show............it has made alot of loyal Leopold supporters think twice about another purchase..........how do you say Zeiss?
If the deal looks too good to be true, it probably is.......cheap glass is cheap glass....quality glass is a lifetime purchase.
And now our addle headed Canadian warrantee company, Korth, will not honor a warrantee on a US produced scope if it is purchased in the US.....so much for buying a Leopold scope at a gun show............it has made alot of loyal Leopold supporters think twice about another purchase..........how do you say Zeiss?
I have been working in the "ITAR" (International Trade Arms Regulations)world for the last two and a half years, and I assure you, as a Canadian who deals with this stuff every day, it is not legal. Canada does not care, but the boys down south do. The US scopes we buy in Canada go through an exhaustive importation process for redistribution in our country.
At a particular border crossing near my home, we have had CBP guards stopping Canadian vehicles just before they reach home turf and are combing them over in search of items illegal for export.
I am with longknife no leupold for me, Minox for the money me thinks.
Jurome is right make sure you bring one in legaly, but it isn't as hard as he makes it out to be. I am sure all the manufacturers, especialy Leupold like the scope importing BS. It makes it easier for them to over charge us. Guestimated extra cost for them to bring a scope into Canada is under $20 per unit in volume with regulations and shipping considered. But we still pay thru the nose for most compared to US. I was going to buy a Burris 6x, 2-12 E1 from P&D they were listed at $970, but when I went to order the new price was $1350, I can still buy for $800 or less in the US, but now Burris is on my no buy list as well unless they change. P&D says all the extra cost is a price increase from the supplier, the supplier says that is not the case. Who knows, but I do know I can't buy it for $970. I have a new to me 300wsm waiting for the right scope at a resonable price. 2-12 is prefered with a lit reticle, for the old eyes, I like.
Jurome is right make sure you bring one in legaly, but it isn't as hard as he makes it out to be. I am sure all the manufacturers, especialy Leupold like the scope importing BS. It makes it easier for them to over charge us. Guestimated extra cost for them to bring a scope into Canada is under $20 per unit in volume with regulations and shipping considered. But we still pay thru the nose for most compared to US. I was going to buy a Burris 6x, 2-12 E1 from P&D they were listed at $970, but when I went to order the new price was $1350, I can still buy for $800 or less in the US, but now Burris is on my no buy list as well unless they change. P&D says all the extra cost is a price increase from the supplier, the supplier says that is not the case. Who knows, but I do know I can't buy it for $970. I have a new to me 300wsm waiting for the right scope at a resonable price. 2-12 is prefered with a lit reticle, for the old eyes, I like.
I also agree with cody c. Nike is one of the first and worst. They wrote the rules along with other manufacturers, and retailers like walmart (junkmart), CANADIAN (Cambodian) Tire, and others. They are throwing our economies especialy the US under the bus, and the governments allow it. Try exporting a good ole, american/canadian built anything to china, and see what the duties are. All they want is the raw material.
Wow I just pounced on a bunch of big companies, and I am kind of a right wing guy. Small business made in North America!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wow I just pounced on a bunch of big companies, and I am kind of a right wing guy. Small business made in North America!!!!!!!!!!!!
Where is the discussion here? As consumers we are surrounded by counterfeit goods. If you are fool enough to believe that real Leupolds can be had for less than $100, you are probably being fooled by much else in your consumer life. I am without sympathy for those that get burned. A little research and common sense go a long way,
Regarding mark-up in Canada, most retailers barely break even let alone make ridiculous profits. Doing business in this country is much more expensive, many products have single distributors as we are on relative terms, like another state to many US manufacturers. People who p*ss and moan about our prices, need to understand how different our market actually is. Price some of this stuff out in Europe and you'll be glad you live in Canada.
Regarding mark-up in Canada, most retailers barely break even let alone make ridiculous profits. Doing business in this country is much more expensive, many products have single distributors as we are on relative terms, like another state to many US manufacturers. People who p*ss and moan about our prices, need to understand how different our market actually is. Price some of this stuff out in Europe and you'll be glad you live in Canada.
Buying from a legit dealer is the best way to combat the counterfeits'. However dealers in Canada do make decent mark up as they should. Doing business here is not "much more expensive, and as a matter of fact coroprate tax rates are better. There are some expenses which are higher, and some which are lower, but as I have stated in another thread the manufacturers are gouging Canadians, VS Americans with many products from
hunting to fishing to toys to appliances to Can-Am quads to cars, and boats and many other things and we keep paying. Counterfeit goods are selling well here because the unsuspecting, are tired of paying the high prices, and they get dupped. This problem in Canada, and elsewhere is in a large part brought on by the corporate overcharging of us. Common sense should be your guide.
But corporate overcharging, should be challenged. The wife and I are going to the US for our 25th, and we plan to bring back a new SUV, and it sure aint because we "want" to buy it there.
The bottom line is fair pricing from corporations will result in a big reduction of the sale of fakes. It will also curb the cross border buying explosion, which they deal with by threatening to take away a dealers franchise or dealer rights if they sell to Canadians. Rather than just giving us fair pricing in the first place.
