Critique and comment on our Ruger 10/22 stock (goes into prototypeing this week!)

Epoxy7 said:
I would prefer aluminum....
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Good points. Seems like a consensus on sticking with Aluminum, which is ok. Aluminum is quite reasonably priced right now, but with a synthetic stock i could have some features molded and any machining/inletting could be done with much heavier and faster cuts, which will have a bigger effect on overall cost.

P12 said:
I have the Christie stock from 1022central.com, its made of some kind of plastic, its nice but it dosen't feel the same as metal and it leaves alot to be desired in the styling department....
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Styling wise, I'd like to keep it similar to the original, since most people seem to like it. Including using AR grips and either an AR buttstock socket or integrated buttstock.

The more I look into it though, the more convenient it will be to at least start out all Aluminum.


Epoxy7 said:
I've been following this project since the first post. I just went and reread the thread.

Wow this has really turned into something nice looking. It's come a long way from the original lego block look. This is one of the few stocks like this that I actually like.

I'm guessing the cost to make these is pretty high or the idea of synthetics wouldn't have been suggested. Keep in mind looks and quality do sell. Look at the ATR lowers. Make it right and make it look great. Look wise it's very good right now. If these are sold I may have to go buy another Ruger 10/22. something that I had no plans of doing at the beginning of this thread.

The pillars and free floating are paramount. A 10/22 with a bull barrel can be pretty accurate. The current forend design is excellent looking and seems to be a good design for free hand or from bags. The bottom rail even makes a bipod pretty easy to add on. A 10/22 in a stock like this would appeal to a large variety of shooters.

Any chance of seeing the front where the barrel portrudes? This needs to look decent as well. Also the barrel has to remain free floated.
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Thanks for the kind words, see above for the explanation on the synthetic route. I'll throw up a pic of the front end in the next few.



DIRTYCLEAN said:
i would like to see it as well, hope it's going to be a round hole whit space for bull barrels . not a square like other designs :mad:
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Hahaha.. hrmm uhhh, but squares are so easy! Could maybe roundify it a little more.:p


P12 said:
I would still prefer a metal stock, it just feels better. If you have access to the plastic molding industry then you could make other parts like 6 possition butt stocks, vertical grips or rail covers and offer them with the kit as a package.

Since we're throwing out ideas and you have the means to make things happen, how about mags for the 10/22, polymer with steel feed lips like the BC ones, but without the curve, just straight.

With a straight mag it would be passible to mount a shotgun underneath it, specifically the 8.5" Grizzly CanAm is bringing in soon, or the one form Dlask, an adaptor to mount it all tougether would also be required.

What do you think?
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Great ideas. A straight, or mostly straight magazine would be great, but as you know, im sure, having them curved like that makes them feed better. I'll give it some thought though, see if i cant have a stroke of genius haha (don't hold your breath:D)

AR Buttstocks, could be a possibility. I've actually been tossing around the idea of a profile similar to the Ace AP4 SOCOM, which in my eyes looks awesome, but holy $$. Ralistically, these could be all aluminum and still hit the $100 or less mark (but it wont be backed by SF operators like the ACE ones, haha)


yyyyy said:
side rail is an essential! +1
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The ports on the foregrip could be used as an opportunity to bolt on some side rails without having to any drilling and tapping, they're 1/4" in width.

ozzy said:
Now thats an idea, even a 10-20 rd mag would be ok if it was straighter
And also if u make a polymer stock, how bout one like an mp5?? ;) They are the only rifle stock that actually looks right with the curved 25 rd mags
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+1 on the straight mags. I'll keep the MP5 stock design cues in mind

Epoxy7 said:
Actually I like it without the side rails. Looks slicker. Top and bottom look good.
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The rails are aren't the quickest or easiest to machine, so the less standard rails the better. I think it looks good without the side rails as well.



Sorry if i've missed anything, im tired as hell... Thanks for the great input as usual guys! :cheers:
 
Thanks for the updates, sounds like you are busy as hell. It is nice to see something like this develop and how input and though process' during it all molds the end product. Keep up the good work and yes please stick aluminum although a synthetic one may be called for later I think the aluminum one in the works is going to be a better product, and I completely agree that the rails could be added later to keep initial costs down and the owner can do with as he pleases. ;)
 
I think straight mags could be doable, other straight mags like the GSG-5 or Black Dog Machine seem to work fine, they're not perfectly straight, but they're preaty close, double stack would be nice too, like the ones from shootersridge.com.

Side and bottom rails could be made from plastic to save cost, Glocks are made from plastic and they work fine.

Any possibility it could be disassembled for cleaning without tools like mantioned earlier?

What about the shotgun adapter if you could make straight mags? I was thinking something like an H shaped thing, the top part would slide into the bottom front of the stock and attach with screws at the bottom and sides where the rails would be. The bottom could resamble a B-Square mount, with attachments through the reciever where the two pins are, and a screw at the rear of the reciever where the buttstock would attach. That should be preaty solid.
 
Bender_Unit said:
The rails are aren't the quickest or easiest to machine, so the less standard rails the better. I think it looks good without the side rails as well.
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I don't dig the side rails either, by why not offer the option? Find a cheap and readily available aftermarket rail and drill and tap the stocks to accept them.

Clean lines for those who don't want the rails, and the option for the folks who feel the need to strap a TomTom to the side of their .22.
 
+1 for 597 Inletted version. You would sell a bunch. Why not also offer a "receiver only" version, with the ability to add butstock, grips, rails, etc... a la carte? So long as the receiver is AR compatible for these parts.
 
I'm thinking 597 receiver version as well.
The reason. Cost.

Right now you can get a heavy barreled 597 for Less than $250 which also includes a crappy scope. You'll want a heavy barrel to look good with this set up. I think it would be cheaper to have the barrel cut down rather than buying a 10/22 and then buying an aftermarket barrel.

Just a thought. I like the 10/22 but the costs get pretty high very quickly as soon as you start modding it. The 597, add a $30 hammer and you're ready to go. From the reports the low cost heavy barrels have had decent accuracy.

Just a consideration.
 
P12 said:
I think straight mags could be doable, other straight mags like the GSG-5 or Black Dog Machine seem to work fine, they're not perfectly straight, but they're preaty close, double stack would be nice too, like the ones from shootersridge.com.

Side and bottom rails could be made from plastic to save cost, Glocks are made from plastic and they work fine.

Any possibility it could be disassembled for cleaning without tools like mantioned earlier?

What about the shotgun adapter if you could make straight mags? I was thinking something like an H shaped thing, the top part would slide into the bottom front of the stock and attach with screws at the bottom and sides where the rails would be. The bottom could resamble a B-Square mount, with attachments through the reciever where the two pins are, and a screw at the rear of the reciever where the buttstock would attach. That should be preaty solid.
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I gave the magazines some thought, and i have some ideas for an adapter that fits into the 10/22 magwell and allows you to use GSG-5 magazines (assuming importing them isn't a nightmare).

What do you guys think of that?

Assembly/dissassembly without tools, not in this version unfortunately.a

As for shotgun mounts... I think I'll leave that up to the creativity of the people who buy one haha. At least for now;).


daroccot said:
+1 for 597 Inletted version. You would sell a bunch. Why not also offer a "receiver only" version, with the ability to add butstock, grips, rails, etc... a la carte? So long as the receiver is AR compatible for these parts.
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Epoxy7 said:
I'm thinking 597 receiver version as well.
The reason. Cost.

Right now you can get a heavy barreled 597 for Less than $250 which also includes a crappy scope. You'll want a heavy barrel to look good with this set up. I think it would be cheaper to have the barrel cut down rather than buying a 10/22 and then buying an aftermarket barrel.

Just a thought. I like the 10/22 but the costs get pretty high very quickly as soon as you start modding it. The 597, add a $30 hammer and you're ready to go. From the reports the low cost heavy barrels have had decent accuracy.

Just a consideration.
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A 597 inletted version is definitely on my mind, I'll be on it once i get some solid prototyping done on the 10/22 version and go buy a 597

Darcoot: the kit will be AR parts ready and sold "bare".

Im falling further behind on this... Machines are getting shuffled this week, next week im on the road. Still chipping away on it thought... Thanks for the patience and staying interested. excellent input as always :cheers:
 
I don't think you would be able to import GSG-5 magazines due to it being a prohibited firearm.

Extremely nice project, btw. Asking what your potential customers want is the path to success and acclaim.
 
i like it i think it looks cool i dont own a 10/22 but i will soon buy one i think. if you make these i would for sure love to buy one just make sure that its compatible with the new 10/22's and keep the price a bit lower than others. it should be a good seller. i dont know a whole lot about fittings and things but if its a free floating barrel that would be even better, but i would suggest making them for the savage mrk2-f :D then i would buy one up asap as thats the gun i won now and finding parts for them is next to impossible you should look into that.

good luck keep up the good work and research
 
Well.... welcome to the recession. Im gonna have to axe this project, mostly because I wont have any more machines to make it on. Company is kaput, and frankly I'm happy to cash out and run in this economic climate.

Sorry to disappoint.

Thanks everyone for all the excellent input and feedback. I will be retaining this design and a few other products I've developed. This may come back to life at some point... I'm running it by a few other outfits I'm in business with.

Thanks again and have a good long weekend everyone :cheers:
 
Oh crud.

Good luck with your other business, hope you do well enough to come back to this.

I guess I'll have to try to find a tac-sol upper for my AR.
 
Bender_Unit said:
Well.... welcome to the recession. Im gonna have to axe this project, mostly because I wont have any more machines to make it on. Company is kaput, and frankly I'm happy to cash out and run in this economic climate.

Sorry to disappoint.

Thanks everyone for all the excellent input and feedback. I will be retaining this design and a few other products I've developed. This may come back to life at some point... I'm running it by a few other outfits I'm in business with.

Thanks again and have a good long weekend everyone :cheers:
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Sorry to hear that, Bender...
 
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