CRPS Options- upgrade my 10/22, upgrade my CZ452, buy a Ruger Precision Rimfire ?????

[Mystic Precision]

I think you've made the case for splitting up semi-autos and manual-action (bolt, straight pull, etc.) into two separate classes. There's simply too much of an advantage gained by running a relatively-accurate semi-auto against those who have to work the action manually.

I made that proposal the year I developed my 10/22 and saw what it could do. The feedback was supportive but patient. The results for those running properly set up 10/22s have been very positive BUT the flood to the platform was surprisingly muted.

As a percentage vs bolt rifles, it is still way down in numbers in the west... and pretty much non existent in the East. I think many taboos that follow the platform has kept shooters away (just read comments here). This is a new game with mostly new shooters. The marketing and commentary around bolt swamps any benefits demonstrated with the semi at a match.

As much as I have demonstrated its potential, there aren't enough semis at most matches to warrant a separation. And currently, the better shooters are doing very good work with the bolts and working around their issues.

Said again and again, change the rules or style of the match, change the dominant gear. I see out East, more matches are going to 'tween pare time... that helps remove the time delays around a bolt for many. You can still see shooters time out so there continues to be a benefit to the Semi. Be interesting to see if change occurs as frustration mounts?

Ultimately, the game should evolve where part favors one style, part favors the other... then it is up to the shooter to worry about what matters... making hits when the wind is blowing.

Me, I quickly started work on solving the issues I saw in bolt rifles after getting my 10/22 sorted. Now I have both and will use the rifle I feel most appropriate for the match I am attending.

The game of compromises continues to evolve....

Jerry

 

[Mystic Precision]

Jerry, I have been following this thread with some interest. Can you please let me know what the flaws are in the RPRF when used in PRS?

Thanks in advance...

The main weak points have been highlighted. given how you are going to load a rifle in PRS, the flex in the stock is going to drive you bonkers.

If you like Ruger bolts, contact popular barrel makers to tell them to make suitable prefits. The RPRF is different vs the American.

now if someone from Annie is reading this... how about a quick change barrel for the "64" type mag fed action?

Jerry

 

[adamg]

It comes with a manual telling you what to turn to reduce the trigger pull from what the lawyers wanted.

Turning the trigger adjustment screw only gets it down to some like 3.5lbs. Removing the middle dingus gets it down to about 2.5lbs. (rough numbers from 2 year old memory)

 

[Maple57]

Been involved in mechanical engineering in one form or another since 1979 and the day any 1022 outshoots a good bolt gun at 400 yards defies all known mechanical physics.

Any action that uses chamber pressure to actuate function creates variability in velocity and a reduction in velocity.

A reduction in velocity can be compensated for with faster ammo, but shot to shot variability cannot be meaningfully improved.

If 1022s in any form are doing well against bolt guns at 300-400 yards out west, then I'm left to question the competence of the bolt gunners in the group before I can accept the 1022 is just that good.

 

[Southcountryguy]

Been involved in mechanical engineering in one form or another since 1979 and the day any 1022 outshoots a good bolt gun at 400 yards defies all known mechanical physics.

Any action that uses chamber pressure to actuate function creates variability in velocity and a reduction in velocity.

A reduction in velocity can be compensated for with faster ammo, but shot to shot variability cannot be meaningfully improved.

If 1022s in any form are doing well against bolt guns at 300-400 yards out west, then I'm left to question the competence of the bolt gunners in the group before I can accept the 1022 is just that good.

With no disrespect, again, you are having tunnel vision towards F class type shooting. It has never been said that a 10/22 will beat a high end bolt for accuracy. It will beat it in target acquisition time and in very awkward positions in barricade benchrest this can be the difference of being on the podium. And, FWIW, I don’t compete in any yet figured it out. Have a great day.

SCG

 

[Mystic Precision]

The new scientific method... I think therefore it is FACT



Jerry

 

[Travis_m]

The main weak points have been highlighted. given how you are going to load a rifle in PRS, the flex in the stock is going to drive you bonkers.

If you like Ruger bolts, contact popular barrel makers to tell them to make suitable prefits. The RPRF is different vs the American.

now if someone from Annie is reading this... how about a quick change barrel for the "64" type mag fed action?

Jerry

Jerry how do you set up your 10/22 to compete? I'm working on mine and I'm curious what others have done.

 

[emerson]

It depends on what you are trying to accomplish. I am practicing for centerfire bolt, so that drives my choices. If I find in the future that a bolt gun is keeping me from the podium, I might feel differently.

 

[Oldly]

Tx1 is a nice 22lr that is very accurate,consistent feeder it is not,in every 20 cartridges I get a few that mess up the routine.

 

[Mystic Precision]

Jerry how do you set up your 10/22 to compete? I'm working on mine and I'm curious what others have done.

Make sure your donor runs well with bulk HV ammo. We use factory rifles as donors and we just burn through a few hundred rds to make sure all is well. If it doesn't run in factory form, it will likely not when built up. Problem areas like extractor should be addressed as needed... although, all the carbines we got in the last year+ ran fantastic out of the box.... pleasantly surprised.

Proper spec match barrel, proper bedding in an ergonomic stock... then the search for the right ammo. We lean on CenterX most often as this ammo works well with the barrel spec I use... a tuner can be helpful. A nice breaking trigger is also really important. Bolt release mod is a must.

Suitable optics, base and rings.

Nothing particularly exotic nor expensive about setting up a 10/22 vs any other rifle. Problems can occur when a bunch of aftermarket stuff is swapped into a factory donor. We keep it simple and if it runs in factory form, we leave it alone. If I can help with the right parts, let me know

Test your mags and be brutally honest about any issues. They either work 100% or get binned.

Jerry

 

[emerson]

Tx1 is a nice 22lr that is very accurate,consistent feeder it is not,in every 20 cartridges I get a few that mess up the routine.

The only feeding issues I have is with the cheapest ammo I can find. Avoid it and you are good. If you push the bolt handle up throughout the feeding process sometimes you can get it to miss feed with better stuff. Im between 8 and 10K rounds through it this year. Your T1X sounds defective.